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    I do know of people who go out looking for fights. They're hardly ever fair stand up fights though, more like 'pick on some guy who looks easy and even then sucker punch him just in case' fights.

    So their 15 minutes of training is probably worth even less than Boyd thinks. They are dangerous people though, if they decide it's your turn and catch you unawares. Moral of this story? Being a switched on ************ > decent BB > 'streetfighters' > Mcdojo BB, in a street situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M A BIG FAG :new_rainf
    You raise a valid point about the ambiguous nature of the term "black belts"--it could apply equally well to either his black belts or black belts in general. If he is referring to all black belts, the statement is alarming. If he's referring to most black belts, it's cynical, accurate, but sadly still does not address the quality of his student's training relative to that of the mythical creature we assume the professional street fighter to be. I understand your point and concede the fact that the author's ambiguity makes this a difficult point to discuss; I only wish to add that I am deeply suspicious of anyone who lionizes what amounts to occasional full-contact sparring, and that you are a big fag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyd
    I only wish to add that I am deeply suspicious of anyone who lionizes what amounts to occasional full-contact sparring, and that you are a big fag.
    Where did I, or anyone else lionize occasional full contact sparring? Or is this in reference to the esteem that I grant to those who engage in MMA competition?

    And you're a douche :5baby:
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    At the time the article was written (1992), the Kajukenbo guy might have been right. Now he'd be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphinx
    At the time the article was written (1992), the Kajukenbo guy might have been right. Now he'd be wrong.
    Bingo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    Where did I, or anyone else lionize occasional full contact sparring? Or is this in reference to the esteem that I grant to those who engage in MMA competition?

    And you're a douche :5baby:
    No no no sir, you misunderstand. My suspicion was meant to be aimed at the gentleman who wrote the article and implied 'street fighters' had some sort of magical property that made them unstoppable killing machines due to practice that cannot extend past fifteen minutes a week. My statement re: you being a fatty fat queercake, however, still stands.
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    3) Kacey is coming with me now. I have stolen her from the other Christian Weston Chandler.

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    Boyd, what makes you think that the street fighter is training for only 15 minutes per week? He spoke nothing of their training, only that they will go out and fight every week. How many Black Belts can even say they were in a full contact sparring match that often? Especially when you consider that the largest martial arts organization in the United States is the American Taekwondo Association, with 300,000+ members. Few, probably very few, of them ever have a full contact sparring match, much less learn the value of an eye gouge or low kick.

    Street fighting is so much different then a sparring match, it's not funny. Black Belts regularly get their asses handed to them by untrained individuals. At least if you are training in a school that puts emphasis on the street, you can train for various possibilities. Where we train, we train for the street. We put emphasis on eye gouges, fish hooks, groin slaps, low kicks and the whole nine yards. And we add it in to our sparring as well.

    Basically, I found the article very informative. I am n ot going to go out and join the style anywhere, but I found the philosophy of the training to be sound. Why, because just like Robert A. Heinlein said, "Unarmed hand-to-hand fighting does not change through the ages; only the name changes, and it has only one rule: do it first, do it fast, do it dirtiest."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolverk
    Street fighting is so much different then a sparring match, it's not funny. Black Belts regularly get their asses handed to them by untrained individuals. At least if you are training in a school that puts emphasis on the street, you can train for various possibilities. Where we train, we train for the street. We put emphasis on eye gouges, fish hooks, groin slaps, low kicks and the whole nine yards. And we add it in to our sparring as well.

    Basically, I found the article very informative. I am n ot going to go out and join the style anywhere, but I found the philosophy of the training to be sound. Why, because just like Robert A. Heinlein said, "Unarmed hand-to-hand fighting does not change through the ages; only the name changes, and it has only one rule: do it first, do it fast, do it dirtiest."
    This reminds me of some Carl Cestari (RIP) dvds I got recently. Years and years of boxing, hardstyle karate, judo & jujutsu, mixed with dirty fighting from horror story scenarios from the cops he's trained. Any TMA can learn from Carl's dvds. I was suprised at the amount of groundfighting stuff (guard/mount/side control) that he had in his vids in the early '90s.
    That Heinlein quote definitely applies.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolverk
    Where we train, we train for the street. We put emphasis on eye gouges, fish hooks, groin slaps, low kicks and the whole nine yards.
    HA HA HA HA HA HA you said this.



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    1) I am STRAIGHT! I am STRAIGHT! Get it through your thick skulls, numbskulls!

    2) My name is not Ian Brandon Something.

    3) Kacey is coming with me now. I have stolen her from the other Christian Weston Chandler.

    REMINDER: I am still the one and only true creator of sonichu and rosechu electric hedgehog pokemon

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