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  1. fivestar is offline

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    Kajukenbo: The Perfected Art of Dirty Streetfighting

    http://www.overseasdigest.com/kajukenbo/dirty.htm

    I came across this (older) article searching for something and I thought it was good and wanted to share. This sentence sums up what I love about Kajukenbo:

    Maschmeier believes that if there is anything that makes kajukenbo unique as a style, it is both the willingness of the style to evolve and grow, and the old Hawaiian idea of ohana or family.
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    DON'T BE STUPID: Remember that a good streetfighter is as good as, or better, than a black belt in a street situation. Some of the streetfighters go out and fight every Friday night. They know how to take a punch. They know how to use a beer bottle. They know how to use a lot of things and they move like a cat when they fight.
    This paragraph betrays an amazing number of things.
    Captain's Log: Just a little update for all my TRUE and HONEST friends out there:

    1) I am STRAIGHT! I am STRAIGHT! Get it through your thick skulls, numbskulls!

    2) My name is not Ian Brandon Something.

    3) Kacey is coming with me now. I have stolen her from the other Christian Weston Chandler.

    REMINDER: I am still the one and only true creator of sonichu and rosechu electric hedgehog pokemon
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    It betrays one thing: that their black belts would be better off not training in their system.
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    I like the notion of the streetfighter going out to fight every Friday night. They are fucking scary, like the giant crocs in the NY sewers, or Oprah's vaginal sarlacc.
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     Style: Kaju, BJJ, Judo, Kempo

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    Too tired to read the article right now, but I'll just comment on what's been said in response to it.

    1) I do know guys who bar fight on a weekly basis. They actually are pretty good at it. Practice makes perfect. I wouldn't call them better than "black belts" at least black belts in arts that still have quality control. But I'd take bets on some of these guys over the majority of LARPer BB's in the area.

    2) The article writers comment about the willingness to evolve of Kaju practitioners holds true for those instructors that I'd like to train with. Many hold rank in other styles due to cross-training, particularly BJJ and Judo. But considering the size of the organization, and its unfortunate ties to Ke?po wannabe's I'd say that statement is at best an idealistic half-truth.

    3) Why do BBmag, Inside Kung Fu and other MA magazine covers always make me want to stab my eyeballs?
    Last edited by Ke?poFist; 11/03/2007 9:32pm at .
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    I've met Bob Maschmeier a couple of times. He's an old aquaintance of Richard Lee, the GM and owner of my school. Maschmeier is one of the few kenpo/kajukenbo teachers out there who gets it.
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    If he believes in a secret society of Street Fighters who can drunkenly outbrawl the majority of his black belts, then no, he does not get It or any related concepts.
    Captain's Log: Just a little update for all my TRUE and HONEST friends out there:

    1) I am STRAIGHT! I am STRAIGHT! Get it through your thick skulls, numbskulls!

    2) My name is not Ian Brandon Something.

    3) Kacey is coming with me now. I have stolen her from the other Christian Weston Chandler.

    REMINDER: I am still the one and only true creator of sonichu and rosechu electric hedgehog pokemon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyd
    If he believes in a secret society of Street Fighters who can drunkenly outbrawl the majority of his black belts, then no, he does not get It or any related concepts.
    Just a bit of a straw-man you've built here, based on what he actually said.
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    He said a good street fighter is equivalent to a black belt. He said a good street fighter goes out and picks fights every Friday night. He said a good street fighter moves like a cat.

    Let's assume for a moment that the dreaded "street fighter" actually does, in fact, have a weekly regimine of going out and picking fights every Friday night. Let's say he does this every week for three years, a number most of us would consider on the high end by any standards.

    That street fighter has been training once a week for less than fifteen minutes per session. Excluding any variables such as weapons, gangs, size, and surprise, this guy has no right beating up legitimate black belts. If someone openly admits his conception of a black belt is someone that loses to an untrained guy with less than a couple hours of full-contact training, he's a shitty teacher.
    Captain's Log: Just a little update for all my TRUE and HONEST friends out there:

    1) I am STRAIGHT! I am STRAIGHT! Get it through your thick skulls, numbskulls!

    2) My name is not Ian Brandon Something.

    3) Kacey is coming with me now. I have stolen her from the other Christian Weston Chandler.

    REMINDER: I am still the one and only true creator of sonichu and rosechu electric hedgehog pokemon
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyd
    He said a good street fighter is equivalent to a black belt. He said a good street fighter goes out and picks fights every Friday night. He said a good street fighter moves like a cat.

    Let's assume for a moment that the dreaded "street fighter" actually does, in fact, have a weekly regimine of going out and picking fights every Friday night. Let's say he does this every week for three years, a number most of us would consider on the high end by any standards.

    That street fighter has been training once a week for less than fifteen minutes per session. Excluding any variables such as weapons, gangs, size, and surprise, this guy has no right beating up legitimate black belts. If someone openly admits his conception of a black belt is someone that loses to an untrained guy with less than a couple hours of full-contact training, he's a shitty teacher.
    He said, "DON'T BE STUPID: Remember that a good streetfighter is as good as, or better, than a black belt in a street situation. Some of the streetfighters go out and fight every Friday night. They know how to take a punch. They know how to use a beer bottle. They know how to use a lot of things and they move like a cat when they fight."

    To be honest, the way you read it is just as valid as the way I read it, so I can't you're wrong. To me, I read it as seeing "black belts" not really HIS black belts, but most black belts in general. The type that's never engaged in any fighting outside of dojo sparring and Karate tournaments. And unless you've gone toe to toe with a BJJ or Judo black belt, there's a good chance that your perception of "black belt" ability is quite inconsequential.

    There also is the fact that most Kenpo/Kajukenbo instructors view a street fight as a much more chaotic and dangerous situation than say MMA competition. With this in mind -regardless of whether they are right or wrong...I think wrong btw- the value of Black Belt status in a street fight, regardless of style shouldn't be expected to be very high in their minds.
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