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    The "belt and bag" method for training your lapel grip for Judo/BJJ/etc.

    Lately I've been experimenting with various exercises you can do using a judo belt, and with this one I've found something I really like. All you need is a judo belt and a punching bag that is shorter than you when you sit it on the floor (and probably a punching bag you can lift). This is, as far as I know, just something I made up, so if it's dumb.. uh, sorry.

    Instructions for making your lapel trainer:

    1. Remove the punching bag from its regular position on a chain or in your closet or whatever.
    2. Sit it upright in front of you.
    3. Take your Judo belt and start looping it through the rings on top of the bag, where the chains usually hook.
    4. When you reach the ring you started on, stop. Easy!

    You should now have a punching bag with two ends of a judo belt coming out the top of it, which will serve as your "lapel."

    To approximate a lapel grip, take the ends of the judo belt in your left hand and raise the ends in the air above the bag so that there is no slack in them. Use your imagination: this is your opponent's lapel. Then grip the belt with your right hand like so:



    (lefties can reverse this; righties should too)

    Now, you're approximating your lapel grip and the connection it makes with your opponent's weight. To quote Elie Morrel's gripping article on JudoInfo:
    ( http://www.judoinfo.com/grips.htm )

    "Depending on the throw in question, the lifting hand effort (on the lapel) will vary. The strongest position of the lifting hand is when the elbow of the tori is placed in contact with the upper body with the hand located directly above it.The weakest position of the tsurite is when the arm is fully outstretched. The hand has zero lifting capability in this position."

    Now you can put his statement to the test. Lifting the bag with a stiff arm should be hard. If you place your elbow under your hand, you can not only lift the bag more easily with your shoulder, you can also recruit your leg and hip muscles to help you. (This is arguably more of a technical training tool than a strength training tool, although with some creativity I think it can do both)

    Now that you have a training dummy, try stuff out! Practice lifting the bag efficiently and inefficiently. Practice lifting the bag barely off the floor and then sweeping it with your foot into the air. Practice shoulder throws with it. Take an end of the belt in each hand and see if you can learn anything about the double-lapel grip.

    Anyway, that's my idea, hope you guys like it, and tell me if you think of any cool new exercises to do with it.
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    To practice grip better for judo I wouldn't bother with that, seems too much.

    I don't do Judo but I do like grip. I use CoC grippers, plate pinches, and sledgehammer levering. Seems to work well.

    Also I take some cloth (gi, towel, whatever) and wrap it around a dumbell handle. I then squeeze the hell out of it, I like the feel of this because it has some give to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LI GUY 1
    To practice grip better for judo I wouldn't bother with that, seems too much.

    I don't do Judo but I do like grip. I use CoC grippers, plate pinches, and sledgehammer levering. Seems to work well.

    Also I take some cloth (gi, towel, whatever) and wrap it around a dumbell handle. I then squeeze the hell out of it, I like the feel of this because it has some give to it.
    all good ideas, for sure. i'm using this not just for grip strength, but for proper structure. since you have to use proper form to lift the bag easily, i think it's a good way to train good form outside of class. as for pure grip strength, i'm sure there are better ways to get that.
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    I see, I don't do Judo so I guess I don't see the form/structure part. But if it works for that good idea.
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    I like this, in particular that he works on the proper placement of the elbow (which makes a universe of difference.) The advantage of this over a throwing dummy is that it's heavier and sturdier (thus much more difficult to lift and throw with efficiency.

    I'm still having a hard time visualizing how you use it, though. leere, do you think you could take some pics just to show the size of the bag and how you use it? You can blurr your face to keep the pics private if it's not too much trouble.
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    While it seems like you have a good exercise it may not be ideal. When you throw you are not dead lifting a body from the ground. You are pulling it towards you. This may not be the best way to go. Ideally you would need a bag taller than you that you can move and then able to position yourself under the bag.

    An easier solution is to tie your belt around a pole and do uchikomis. That or and old bicycle tube or those therapy bands. The idea is to pull at around 90 degrees from you body not dead lifting weight from the ground.

    I say this because we tried something like this where one person would sit down and we would lift them up to their feet and then uchikomi. Talked to a few higher level coaches and they said it wasn't the best way to train and strengthen due to the biomechanicial differences.

    A great exercise would be three man uchikomis. One guy is uke on is tori and the other holds his belt to keep him from getting thrown. You turn and then pull uke for 10 secs. Do it twice and you will feel it in your hands.
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