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  1. Teh El Macho is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by falconhunter202
    Noobish as this might sound, I was told by Bill Duff on Human Weapon that learning Olympic Wrestling made your Judo crap.
    You were told by Bill Huff???? Or did you hear Bill Duff on TV? Two different things.

    Fact # 1 of life: don't personalize what you hear on TV.
    Fact # 2 of life: most of what you hear as fact on TV is bullshit.
    Fact # 3 of life: Bill Duff plays a "dumb" character in "Human Weapon". Should I say more? Should I need to tell you to not take what his TV character that seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by falconhunter202
    My question is this: Is this true?
    Nope.

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    If so, does it also apply to BJJ? JJJ maybe?
    Nope. In fact, good wrestlers that train BJJ are usually monsters worth emulating.

    Quote Originally Posted by falconhunter202
    The reason I'm brining this up is because I'm on a mission to transition all the way from point sparring to continuous MMA. I've already done some kickboxing stuff (see my other thread), but I have almost no ground game. I know BJJ is the premier groundfighting art, and Bas Rutten proved that Judo works as well, but will learning wrestling in high school screw me over?
    Randy Couture. Sean Sherk, George St. Pierre, Dan Henderson, "Rampage" Jackson, Don Frye, "Tank" Abbott, Kevin Randleman. They all come from a strong wrestling background.

    So the answer to your last question is no. Wrestling will not screw you over. What you do with wrestling - or any other skill set for that matter - may screw you over, but not wrestling.

    Good luck with your training.
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  2. Babachewy is offline

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    Wrestlers should never, ever take Judo because I am tired of getting thrown by morote gari and pinned by white belts :cussing:
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    10/31/2007 10:43am


     Style: MMA, BJJ, CMD, TKD, FMA

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    If I could do one thing differently about school, I'd go back and continue wrestling from grade school. I'm a striker still (ground is slowly coming along), but man if I had the foresight 30 years ago... ;p.
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    Posted On:
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    Looks like my high school wrestling team is gonna have one more member this year.
    As it so happens, I agree with Vin and disagree with Duff. Nevertheless (and assuming you actually corresponded with Duff and are not just taking something he said on tv as personal advice), LOL @ you taking some anonymous guy's opinion on the internet over someone who is actually known and has trained in both arts.

    Wrestlers should never, ever take Judo because I am tired of getting thrown by morote gari and pinned by white belts
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  5. falconhunter202 is offline

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    10/31/2007 10:51pm

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    Lol, no I was not TOLD by Bill Duff. Bill Duff SAID on TV.
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    Posted On:
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    Using freestyle wrestling at Judo just about got my neck broke for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyFive
    Well, Judo Olympic medalist Jimmy Pedro used to wrestle...

    That's right. He started for Brown University. No mean feat.



    The guy on our team I worked out with everday (a weight class above me) whupped him good each and every time. That is to take nothing away from him and is immaterial to this discussion, I just had to throw it in there.
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    Posted On:
    11/01/2007 11:40am


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    Isn't Bill Duff that same doofus that forgot how to execute a double-leg takedown on The MMA episode of Human Weapon?

    Just checking...
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     Style: Wrestling, Judo, MMA

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    does bill duff have any experience with Greco Roman wrestling?

    IMHO, learning GR gives you a very good chance of walk into a judo club and not being just another rag doll beginner(even though you do need to relearn falling).
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     Style: Wrestling, BJJ n00b

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    Quote Originally Posted by HongKongFukYu
    Isn't Bill Duff that same doofus that forgot how to execute a double-leg takedown on The MMA episode of Human Weapon?

    Just checking...
    As was stated earlier, HE, the person, probably didn't actually forget, just as Stephen Colbert, the person, is probably opposed to Bill O'Reily. Bill Duff, the character of a scripted show, on the other hand, DID forget his double leg takedown on television, just as Stephen Colbert, the televised personality, loves Bill O'Reily, and even goes so far as to call him "Papa Bear" (although that's probably a joke on the fact that Colbert's show is a spoof on the O'Reily Factor, and Colbert's character spoofs Bill's).

    It's just a television personality. Do you ever wonder why, even with their martial arts backgrounds and all the training they've picked up along the course of the show, utterly fail in their initial challenges, but after only fourty-five minutes (with commercials, mind you), they've suddenly turned to death-machines in a similar challenge? They're characters. It's very deliberate.

    Don't get me wrong, it doesn't at all subtract from the informative or entertainment value of the program. In fact, if they didn't play characters, the show would be very boring. If they passed their initial challenges, why even bother training in the new style? And if they miserably fail their final challenge, then what have they learned?

    Sorry to go on this tangent here, but no, he's not the doofus that forgot the double-leg. His character is.
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