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  1. Sagacious_Lu is offline

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    JKD trapping.

    Being new to bullshido, sorry if this is the wrong forum for this question, but here goes.

    I've been going over the combat ranges in JKD and I'm curious as to which martial arts, in addition to WC and Eskrima, teach trapping. I realize that trapping is only a fractional part of combat. Is it worth learning, if so, is any particular system of trapping more effective in hand-to-hand (sans weapon) fighting?
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     Style: JKD Concepts, Kyokushin

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    You should probably post your question in the 'Newbietown' forum, lest you get torn to pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagacious_Lu
    Is it worth learning
    No. End of thread.
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    Posted On:
    10/30/2007 10:50pm


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    the short answer no, its not useful to learn, its the wrong forum, and no one uses it effectively in unarmed combat, its principle of armed combat which is completely useless in unarmed combat. just wanted to make sure your question was answered before you were eaten alive, vomited up and thrown in a woodchipper, have fun.
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    Posted On:
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     Style: jkd concepts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagacious_Lu
    Being new to bullshido, sorry if this is the wrong forum for this question, but here goes.

    I've been going over the combat ranges in JKD and I'm curious as to which martial arts, in addition to WC and Eskrima, teach trapping. I realize that trapping is only a fractional part of combat. Is it worth learning, if so, is any particular system of trapping more effective in hand-to-hand (sans weapon) fighting?
    As a full instructor of Progressive Fighting Systems ( a JKD Concepts system) I can tell you categorically that "trapping" (ie tan sao, pak sao, all the FMA stuff) is NOT going to work in a real fight. That's why we've dumped it where we train.

    You're better off learning the clinch range......neck control, pummeling, underhooking. Those kinds of things require aliveness. You're more likely to be grabbed up by someone once you start pounding on them than to have someone stick their hand out and freeze it.....holding "centerline".
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    10/31/2007 7:55am


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    All the PFS guys i've seen did stuff i would call "trapping" only to a) get into clinch range or b) buy enough space to deploy a weapon. If by trapping we mean jamming a forearm or elbow into the body,then that does seem a fairly high percentage way of getting space to get a weapon out.
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    Theres also Chi na, fun to train with but it stops there.
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    You're better off learning the clinch range......neck control, pummeling, underhooking. Those kinds of things require aliveness. You're more likely to be grabbed up by someone once you start pounding on them than to have someone stick their hand out and freeze it.....holding "centerline".
    "Getting grabbed up" is supposed to be the reason for training trapping drills in the first place. IMO these drills maintain a deliberately artificial range specifically so that people can practice what to do at that range. The problems start when people don't realize why they're doing the drill and start to specialize in trapping to the exclusion of other ranges.
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    I've learned trapping in JKD Concepts. I was never able to apply it while sparring, though.
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    You and several thousands of others.
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