10/29/2007 12:26pm, #1
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Phoenix Eye and other theoretical strikes.
I have been told to use palms on their hard bits and fists on their soft bits (so as not to risk breaking my knuckles). Is this useful?
10/29/2007 12:44pm, #2Originally Posted by Madgrenade
Your chance of deciding beforehand what type of their bits you are actually going to hit is not that great.
You might hit a different bit.
Just a thought...
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10/29/2007 12:49pm, #3
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Well generally, fists are less likely to hit hard bits while working the body. And pretty much garunteed to do so while hitting the head. Which is what I find people usually mean.
10/29/2007 1:00pm, #4Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey
My style as well rarely punches with flat fist and replaces with the Phoenix Eye. You don't punch at a hard guard with it, but you shouldn't punch at one with an unprotected closed fist either.
The Phoenix Eye is not exactly a good idea if you're going for a knockdown, but it's more painful than a 'plain' closed fist, and it causes cuts easily, especially if you twist.
10/29/2007 1:58pm, #5
As opposed to "normal" punches that never cause cuts? and when are you hitting someone and *NOT* wanting to knock them down or out either?
I posted about this in #19 and Bas Rutten is MOST CERTAINLY NOT a Red Herring. He was very good at using open hand strikes for FIVE YEARS, very effective.. He had years of punching before doing Pancrase, that's why he prefers punching.
You wanna see if open hand strikes work? Train them for a year. Hell, train them for six months. Condition your palm strikes & chops(hand&wrist) against metal shot bags or kettlebells Cestari-style. YOU WILL BE EFFECTIVE.
My beef with the pheonix eye stuff is that it seems like a lot of work to learn to use something that maybe could get accomplished just as easily as a fist. It seems like needless exoticism to me.You can't make people smarter. You can expose them to information, but your responsibility stops there.
10/29/2007 2:34pm, #6Originally Posted by PirateJon
Now as to when you wouldn't want to knock someone down or out, I'm not too sure myself. I do know however that there are specific targets that are more vulnerable to phoenix eyes than to punches, though. Ribs are a pretty good example. Except for that, I'm not a big fan of it either, but it's what my teacher advocates, and it certainly works well enough for him and for some other students.
Originally Posted by PirateJon
10/29/2007 3:47pm, #7
Originally Posted by Guizzy
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10/29/2007 4:01pm, #8Originally Posted by Craigypooh
10/29/2007 6:31pm, #9
Ask and ye shall recieve
Now, how one could dislocate his thumb that way is beyond me.
10/29/2007 6:53pm, #10Originally Posted by Guizzy
As for the faulty pic ... I really didn't look very hard , just wanted to get the general idea out there . Thank you for the pics .
I will now began teaching Phoenix Eye Kung Fu .