Do you realise how gay that makes you sound? You stroke yourself and watch guys rolling around on the mat.
Originally Posted by KempoFist
Vince - I have to agree with you plus what I've found is that guys are the worst culprits in gyms for talking, loitering around equipment so you can't use it and generally working out and talking to the ratio of 1:3.
I make sure I have two programs each time I hit the gym that won't waste me a single minute if the equipment i need for one workout is not available. Just be prepared and you won't have to waste time waiting for those half asses.
Hmmm... I likey #2. I don't mind the "not so fit" people. I mean, I WAS one when I started, and again, I make no claims of being 100% fit and ready to go tear up the competition (I won't compete until both I and my instructor agree that I'm damn good and ready!). And I don't even mind the "not so committed" people, per se. Perhaps I should have elaborated on this in my OP: the classes, which I take on Mondays and Wednesdays, are geared more towards the recreational practitioner. And I keep on doing those. It's on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays that we have "Open Workouts". It's there where you usually find the more "serious" people (and by serious, I mean actual fighters, and people that are interested in fighting competitively, like me). But not everyone can be equally 100% committed. That little thing called Life tends to get in the way. And **** happens - a corollary of my previous sentence LOL.
Originally Posted by Lily
What annoys me, as I stated earlier, are the ones who are more blatant about being lazy. Who are CLEARLY just there to LARP and look 1337 and ****. If you were there... you would definitely see the difference that I'm talking about. It would be rather obvious to you (and I'd wager most anyone else on here).
Incidentally... the bunch that I'm talking about... I NEVER see at any of the open workouts. Although... even if I did, they're quite a bit smaller than me (I'm a Heavyweight). So my instructor probably wouldn't even let me spar with them (Dammit!). And sparring is only done at the open workouts - again it's there that the more serious practitioners/fighters show up. So I guess ass-kicking is out of the question. Oh well, I'm sure they're t00 d34d1y 4 sp4rr1ng anyway! :laughing9
Also, my instructor does run a tight ship at the open workouts. He WILL push your ass hard! He gives the students in class a good workout, but he knows that it's mainly for fun there. Although... even in class... he does push ME a little harder than the others. Will correct me a bit more and stuff. But hey, I'm actually GRATEFUL that he does so. It's because he knows that I'm there to work. And that I'm interested in competing someday. And I believe that you should worry more when somebody STOPS coaching you than when they do it more. I believe that a good coach keeps pushing you because (s)he KNOWS that you are capable of accomplishing it.
One more thing: I also agree with your statement about me chilling out. I was really just ranting about it, was all. It's an annoyance... but I'll get over it. I just keep training myself hard, and persevering. And working with people that are at least halfway serious about it too. I still love my gym and my chosen MA with all my heart. Couldn't see myself not doing it!
I really hate rope skipping, but I'm always on time. I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to embarass or draw attention to himself, so coming in late isn't really something I want to do (and there's really no reason to come in late anyway).
Originally Posted by Adon4Ever
How do they get away with it? I've never seen anyone do that in any of the MA schools I've been to. I don't know what would happen in MT if someone did that, but something would happen. Years ago, I went to drink some water during a MA class, and I had to do some pushups because I didn't ask for permission and the instructor didn't call for a water break. Since then I've never drank water without permission.
I've even seen these people actually stop DURING CLASS while exercises are going on. Not to rest, or because they're feeling fatigued. But to socialize. Or to show off to onlookers (especially if the onlookers are female).
My attendance isn't as good as I would like, but I always train seriously. I don't understand the mindset of people who slack off... they're training voluntarily and paying money for it. It's not like they've been conscripted or something.
My pet hate too, on both free weights and machines. These guys go to a machine, sit there for ages doing **** all, then do 5 reps. as you say. Now the bit that really pisses me off is that they then go for the posey swagger around, expecting to come back to the same machine after ten minutes and carry on.
Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli
I ALWAYS deliberately cut through that and once they get up I immediately go and sit at the machine and do my sets, whether they have left their drink or walkman there or not.
( They're like dogs pissing to mark their territory - the cure is to piss all over their parade.)
Some of them just stare in that kind of 'how dare you get between me and my 30 inch biceps' kind of way, and most are actually so vain they can't believe anyone else is as important as they are and would dare to use 'their' machine.
If they comment I tell them to take it up with the gym staff or piss off and buy their own gym. Not one of the pussies has ever argued back.
The ones who use a bench or machine just to chat are usually no problem to shift, and I'm always polite.
To be racist in a positive way, I've never had that behaviour from a black guy or an older guy - it's inevitably young white males with 'issues' who spend their lives growing muscles simply with that as their objective. They don't seem to get the girls either. (Mind you, after the steroids, there wouldn't be much point if they did.)
The female equivalent comes in the form of hugely fat women who sit on cardio bikes and either read or chat for half an hour, then go and occupy the stretching area for an hour or so before hitting the Mars bars.
The cure is pretty simple:
Gyms often have a time limit on cardio equipment of, say, 15 minutes.
If there was a time limit of 5 minutes on weights at peak times, we'd all get home earlier.
Last edited by kiaiki; 10/25/2007 4:12am at .
I just ask to work in when I'm at the gym and somebody's using a piece of equipment I'd like to use. 99% of the time, as long as it's not a group of 4+ guys (seriously, limit it to 3 at most), I can use the machine/bench/whatever. Going to the gym at midnight seems to work well too.
Last edited by attakmint; 10/25/2007 4:38am at .
1. JJ. We have a 1st Dan who always misses our Warm-Up. My Instructor does a Warm-Up but as I've done 12-15 years Circuit training, it's all familiar to me. However it's not appropriate for the 1st Dan to miss it as it sends the wrong message to the kyu grades and annoys us (his seniors) who do the Warm Up (even if I'm still feeling the effects of the previous nights JJ or similar training). Oh, yeah, he's French with other, er, problems.
2. Circuits have their poseurs too. I recall one knob saying (after class) that he could do another class. Only because he hadn't done the actual class with anything like the expected commitment and intensity. I was always an "eyeballs out" trainer.
3. As the Circuit class started to give way to a Machine Room, I realised that some of the doughnuts didn't know the Etiquette. They would take possession of the machine and when asked to step off to allow me, would bleat "I'm just doing 1 more set". It's just plain ignorance. I usually encourage them to do their last set after they've let me on the equipment by reminding them that while they're "Resting" I can make a start and then hand back. I've only had one spat and he was about 6ft 2ins and I'm 5ft 7ins. He gave way.
4. "Grunters". Unnecessary and Attention-Seeking. I recall waiting for the start of BodyPump class (I try most things and know a fair bit). I heard 2 blokes (instructors doing free time training) on the Leg Press (Full Body) making sounds like a Porpoise giving Birth (copyright "Scrubs"). After they vacated, I had a look and it was 180kgs; personally I do these in 3 sets of 10 reps with ease (I've short legs). I don't make a sound.
5. "Supplements". Never touch them. I've seen "Bitch Tits" - they looked like he had a Shelf across his chest along the nipple-line. It puzzled me at the time. You can also detect the incipient 'Roid Rage of some of them through their, er, noisy efforts.
6. Returning to the JJ, I remind talking students that they are here to train and can talk afterwards. I quote our Founder who would rebuke by saying: "You're here to train". They look at me like I'm quite Mad. What can you do???:angryfire
Last edited by Eddie Hardon; 10/25/2007 7:24am at .
Anyone talks during a demo gets called out to demonstrate the technique they've just talked through. Adding pain to embarrassment is also recommended.
If they're in line and not paying attention, a good slap works well, as does a bit of light humour/sarcasm.
If teaching wussy types who might sue if slapped, work them all night till they drop, then explain that you knew they were up for it because they had all that energy to work their jaws.
Answer #47 of the dojo code - press ups, crunches, press ups, crunches. Then burpees.
Outcome - they refuse and get kicked out, they leave, they fall over and/or they get the message. Repeat as necessary.
what kind of gym do you go to?
Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli
that's why I quit the fancy popular gym in favor of a place that can teach me the classes I want and still has a full size weight room. plus, the people that go there aren't trying to get bigger arms so they can jerk themselves off harder, they want to train and learn.
I'm sure there are lead-asses in every gym and school. The bell curve practically demands it.
In my school, it's even more annoying as our great lead-ass seems to have significant experience under another style of taiji, but he's still fucking awful and lazy. He comes in thirty minutes late and skips the warm up because he can barely lift his leg (not good for taiji, obviously), but he's still full of "advice" even though he's bad at form, bad at push hands, bad at moving under his own power for under five minutes, and finds sparring distasteful. His big goal is to teach taiji to Fortune 500 CEOs! (My big goal is to use taiji to KILL Fortune 500 CEOs!)
Aaanyway, my teacher finally decided that it was attitude adjustment time, as he explains that from now on the guy has to come in on time, do the warm-ups, and if he does he'll teach him more advanced push hands stuff. And the guy does show up for a couple of classes and whatnot and then it's time for the new kind of push hands (that basically starts at a collar and elbow grip) with which the student was unfamiliar. The teacher takes the lazy guy as his partner. And lazy hits the ground about a half second later. Then they do it again, and again. Then the lazy guy doesn't want to play anymore, so the teacher tells him to teach me how to play, and I step up the teacher gives me a meaningful look and says "This might be just like the greco moves you know" so we start and we clinch and I put him down and he looks upset and I say, "Uhm...I don't think I got it. Can we go again?" and thus he must get up and "teach" me more and since then he's been somewhat less lazy.
Last edited by Rivington; 10/25/2007 9:13am at .
College gyms are like that too. I also hate the idiots that wear a ton of AXE deodorant and smell like they walked out of an anchovies ****. They walk around and gag me when I'm lifting with that awful odor.
Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli
I also hate when the cow-herds go to the indoor track. I run on it, but they get into a large, single line going across the tracks so if you're running, you constantly have to try to weave past them because they block up every lane.
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