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  1. bitparity is offline

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    10/24/2007 7:32pm


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    Permanent injuries, a natural part of MMA?

    It's been 3 months since I had a partial shoulder dislocation during BJJ. I always thought if I gave it time it'd heal, and I guess tehcnically it has, as it doesn't hurt anymore, but I no longer have the range of motion or flexibility I used to. This being directly evidenct when I try to stretch my arm back at a 90 degree angle like an americana. My left shoulder/arm stops right at 90 degrees. My right can still go to 135.

    Now whenever I spar, if someone attacks my left shoulder, I almost always have to immediately tap out because of the pain and it's not as flexible and with dislocations, if you pop it out once, it'll be easier to pop out again.

    But then again, whenever I talk to people who've played other sports, as well as jiujitsu, everybody tells me they have a bad something or the other. Sometimes they're career ending injuries, sometimes they're not.

    I don't like the idea that my shoulder will never get the same range and flexibility it used to, but is that just the cost of participating in a contact sport? Is that what I should look forward to in the rest of my MMA career, a bad ___, ___ and ___?
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    Posted On:
    10/24/2007 7:54pm


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    What treatment and diagnosis have you actually had?
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    Posted On:
    10/24/2007 8:03pm


     Style: bjj/(not enough)MT

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitparity
    Is that what I should look forward to in the rest of my MMA career, a bad ___, ___ and ___?
    yup, after 8 years of football i've got a couple of chronic injuries that I know will never go away... now that I'm in MA I've already broken a digit that I know won't have the same flexibility and will probably be arthritic.


    sorry dude but it's the name of the game when you get older
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    Posted On:
    10/24/2007 11:04pm


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    I've had nothing permanent yet, but yea it seems common. My Aikido sensei is also 3rd dan in Judo and got his neck broke in a tournament a few years ago. My kickboxing trainer didn't have any permanent injuries off the top of my head, but with grappling it seems inevitable.
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    Just like you can't run a machine into the ground and expect it to work, you can't to it to your body either.
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    Posted On:
    10/25/2007 8:06am

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     Style: MT/BJJ

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    Permanent injuries, a natural part of MMA?
    Pretty much. But life happens too - look at frank mir.
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    10/25/2007 8:41am


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    Yeah, you can pretty much count on collecting aches and pains as time goes on, but it isn't all that common that people get an injury that absolutely can't be worked around. After over 20 years of MA training I've got a list as long as my arm of things that aren't quite the same as they were before, but with proper care and learning to adapt my training a little bit it has slowed me a little, but not stopped me.

    I would suggest talking with a physical therapist about your shoulder. 3 Months is still pretty new as far as major injuries goes, so you can still potentially get a lot of your ROM back before too much scar tissue builds. Also look for a good sports massage therapist. No, not the aromatherapy and waterfalls crap, and not the little Filipino girls who do the rub and tug either - a good clinical massage therapist that can do proper deep tissue work.

    But definitely be ready for the reality that if you train long enough and hard enough you will have some injuries and they will eventually start to catch up with you. I even know people who brag about them like badges of honor.
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    10/25/2007 9:09am


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    I'm with the guys who say get it looked at. I've had the best luck with sports medicine dr's instead of general practitioners. Have the sports medicine guy refer to you a physical therapist. You want a PT that works on professional and semi pro athletes and dancers.

    Yeah. Dancers. My PT tells me some of their injuries are unbelievable. Bet ya didn't know many dance companies hire a PT to be offstage during performances in order to tape up/put together the performers.

    I've had plenty of injuries. The one that became "permanent" in the sense that it restricts what I can do (my back) is the one I DIDN'T get treated properly.

    BTW, shoulders are a bitch. I let mine get bad enough that I couldn't lift up a cup of coffee. But my PT was still able to bring it back to the point that I can use it for striking, grappling, weight training, swimming AND I can pick up my coffee unaided.
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    Posted On:
    10/25/2007 9:13am


     

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    Doing any kind of strenuous sport or physical activity over a long period of time is sure to leave its marks. The injuries you get from MMA are dwarfed by the injuries from non-combat sports like American football and hockey.
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    10/25/2007 9:19am


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    I agree completely about Sports Med docs. GPs and general orthopedic docs have the knowledge, but treat everyhing from sports injuries to pediatrics to 80 year olds with broken hips. Sports specialists are much more focused, and also tend to have more of an idea of our training mindset and goals.

    And remember - hot coffe through a straw is a pain in the ass
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