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  1. Omega Supreme is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    But it's Larry Tatum! He shall be spared no quarter!!!

    edit* oh yeah, that, and none of those moves work ;)
    ****....you mean an elbow to the head and hammer strikes don't work. Thanks, I'll go tell my mma team not to do those.
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    ****....you mean an elbow to the head and hammer strikes don't work. Thanks, I'll go tell my mma team not to do those.
    This comes back to effectiveness of drills/kata etc. As per my post (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...7#post1606007), I don't really know what makes good fighters. The Okinawan dojo mentioned in the post produces some great fighters and they hardly ever spar. But I have noticed over the last four decades of training that people who put on demos like Larry, can **** me up. Like the karate guys who have five people standing around holding boards, and then they leap around breaking them. Yeah yeah yeah, boards don't attack/dead training vs live training etc etc - but Larry's demo shows a high level skill, and the karate guy who does the multiple board breaks can move his strikes in space effectively. By itself, that means little, but combined with a bit of sparring....

    In Kajukenbo we trained roundhouse kicks against cinder block walls in order to learn "control," (no touch), and we also put on gloves and went as hard as one wanted to. I learned to place my kicks very prescisely, in and of itself, and without learning movement from sparring, that's not good for much. But I did end a situation once by shooting my big toe into a guy's solar plexis. He was certainly impresssed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless
    ****....you mean an elbow to the head and hammer strikes don't work. Thanks, I'll go tell my mma team not to do those.
    Is it a standard part of Kung Fu training to intentionally misconstrue and pull things out of context to rationalize your own agenda?

    No, flailing your arms in a standup exchange, leaving yourself widely exposed doesn't work. And only seemingly capable of executing such acts of flash and finesse on people who serve as lunge punching crash dummies doesn't help ones argument either.
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    Is it a standard part of Kung Fu training to intentionally misconstrue and pull things out of context to rationalize your own agenda?

    No, flailing your arms in a standup exchange, leaving yourself widely exposed doesn't work. And only seemingly capable of executing such acts of flash and finesse on people who serve as lunge punching crash dummies doesn't help ones argument either.
    Since you ignored my post and it's links I will

    1) Go back to watching Scrubs, or
    2) Pay your way to Hawaii and drag you to a Kaju school and have them beat your head.

    It's up to you, dude, your sad history with Ke?po should stand aside from rationality.
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    Since you ignored my post and it's links I will

    1) Go back to watching Scrubs, or
    2) Pay your way to Hawaii and drag you to a Kaju school and have them beat your head.

    It's up to you, dude, your sad history with Ke?po should stand aside from rationality.
    1) Scrubs is hilarious

    2) I already have/do trained with Kaju folks. What do they have to do with Tatum LARPing?

    In response to your prior post, you say schools put out great fighters and they never spar. How do you know they are great fighters if they don't fight? Or do they compete in kickboxing or MMA bouts? I don't judge skill based on compliant demonstrations. Anyone can put on an impressive show. It's quite another thing to actually put it into use.

    I guaran-damn-tee that if I ever were to spar/fight with someone who trained such techniques as in that video, whether I won or not, they would not use what they practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    1) Scrubs is hilarious

    2) I already have/do trained with Kaju folks. What do they have to do with Tatum LARPing?

    In response to your prior post, you say schools put out great fighters and they never spar. How do you know they are great fighters if they don't fight? Or do they compete in kickboxing or MMA bouts? I don't judge skill based on compliant demonstrations. Anyone can put on an impressive show. It's quite another thing to actually put it into use.

    I guaran-damn-tee that if I ever were to spar/fight with someone who trained such techniques as in that video, whether I won or not, they would not use what they practice.
    1) Agreed
    2) Uh, I forget, nothing? Tatum looks similar to Kajukenbo drills? The drills in Kajukenbo are sd drills. Their sparring looks more like mma, at least in many schools these days.

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    I didn't say that they never spar... They drill hard and spar every quarter, one night. And I did link to Ultimate Fighting Experience, where one of their bbs won a heavyweight mma fight.
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    I currently train Muay Thai. At best I'd be sparring once a week under those conditions. The rest is heavy drilling and padwork. I understand that sparring isn't required as often in striking work as it is in grappling training.

    And Dan will smite you for comparing Kaju to Tatum! But I (and I think he deep down inside) see and agree with your point ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    Is it a standard part of Kung Fu training to intentionally misconstrue and pull things out of context to rationalize your own agenda?

    No, flailing your arms in a standup exchange, leaving yourself widely exposed doesn't work. And only seemingly capable of executing such acts of flash and finesse on people who serve as lunge punching crash dummies doesn't help ones argument either.
    Is it typical for you not to realize what you said?

    "...none of that stuff works"

    That's not misconstuing anything, that's what you said and that's the way I took it.


    Like I said before it's a demo for christ sake. ...


    pfff...let's make fun of this one if you want to be fair....


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    Ok Omega, were they in the midst of foreplay in such a public setting?
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    Technique wasn't too clean in that video, ESPECIALLY for a demo. I'd love to join you in a nice "lol" at it.

    The thing is though, majority of demos with Judo, BJJ, and whatever other arts that actively compete, demonstrate moves and techniques that they actually use under 100% live conditions.

    Saying that Tatum's ridiculous demo's have merit because he uses punches, kicks and elbows, is as intellectually dishonest as saying that playing soccer has merit because they use kicks, head butts and trips/sweeps. Actually, I'd say playing soccer would have more combative benefits than practicing the substance-less Kenpo nonsense in that video.
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