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  1. Vorpal is offline
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    This thread was missing the mandatory one poster stating "he has the 4 realz, come down if yuise dare" entry. Thanks for cleaning things up.
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    Looking through this schools info I don't see it as an original Hapkido rather there are elements of HKD and elements of other systems.

    If you like that fine, but don't think you'll be learning the real stuff.

    Real HKD comes through two lines Choi Yong Sool directly (unaltered) or Ji Han Jae (unaltered).


    Many people take elements of HKD and mix it with what ever floats their boat and still call it HKD, but that's not authentic HKD.

    There are big differences and the quality of tech often suffers greatly in Mc Hapkido Dojangs.
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    Wow. Forgot about this thread entirely. Yeah, Ronin was correct in interpreting my definition of Ki/Chi in this context.

    Didn't watch the video again, but if that dude was indeed taking about superhumanstrength-variety of Ki, then I stand by what I stated earlier.

    And I'll go if you pay for the tickets. It's about 700-800 euros for a two way plane ticket. You can choose the hotel as long as it's at least 2 stars ;)
    Curiosity killed the cat. But damn it had a blast.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by American HKD
    Looking through this schools info I don't see it as an original Hapkido rather there are elements of HKD and elements of other systems.

    If you like that fine, but don't think you'll be learning the real stuff.

    Real HKD comes through two lines Choi Yong Sool directly (unaltered) or Ji Han Jae (unaltered).


    Many people take elements of HKD and mix it with what ever floats their boat and still call it HKD, but that's not authentic HKD.

    There are big differences and the quality of tech often suffers greatly in Mc Hapkido Dojangs.
    Shut The **** Up.

    The only thing GM Ji Han Jae did was creating the name "Hapkido", that's all.
    GM Choi Yung Sul teached Hapki Yu Sul.
    GM Ji Han Jae was one of the ways to learn Hapkido, not the only way.

    My master trained under Kim Bong Soo who trained under (and was the nephew of) Han Bong Soo who trained directly under Choi Yung Sul.

    So STFU and return to MAP.
    Last edited by Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs; 12/12/2008 6:00pm at .
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  6. American HKD is offline

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    12/13/2008 12:24pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zendokan
    Shut The **** Up.

    The only thing GM Ji Han Jae did was creating the name "Hapkido", that's all.
    GM Choi Yung Sul teached Hapki Yu Sul.
    GM Ji Han Jae was one of the ways to learn Hapkido, not the only way.

    My master trained under Kim Bong Soo who trained under (and was the nephew of) Han Bong Soo who trained directly under Choi Yung Sul.

    So STFU and return to MAP.
    Your not well informed and profanity shows your ignorance and poor character.

    Ji is by far the majority source of HKD in the world and Bong Soo Han was a student of Ji he may have seen Choi in some seminars. I have personally seen Master Ji's bok of rank containing the rank he received from GM Ji.

    Han Bong Soo holds no rank from Choi which in Korean Arts is the sign of a Master/Student relationship. Many people claimed Choi was there teacher with no proof mainly after Choi died.

    Remember this is Bullshido and your info is pure BS.

    Go learn your fact and history then come back and talk intellegently.
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    Posted On:
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    How many black belt generations did it take to get Hapkido to the WT-style lineage wars they seem to be in? How many generations did it take for WT/WC/Wx anyway, as a measuring stick?
    Curiosity killed the cat. But damn it had a blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpr
    How many black belt generations did it take to get Hapkido to the WT-style lineage wars they seem to be in? How many generations did it take for WT/WC/Wx anyway, as a measuring stick?
    What's WT,WC, etc...?

    Lineage wars in HKD suck, many older Korean Masters tell me everyone likes to be the chief and no one like to be the indians.

    Bong Soo Han for example was part of Ji Han Jae's group because outside of the Choi's Yu Sool (jujitsu) school Ji and Kim Moo Hong were the first people to introduce the Korean Kicks into Yu Sool and created the Main Hapkido System.

    Master Han came to the US broke away from Korean Assoc. and started his own group though kept it very small. Recieved his 9th dan from Ji Han Jae as did many others.

    Ji added kicks, spin heel kick (copied by everyone), weapons and philosophy thus making up the original form of HKD or Sinmoo HKD.

    Many people changed and added this original style of Ji's like Myong Jae Nam mixing HKD with Aikido, others added forms, many do TKD styles kicks vs. the original HKD style kicks which are very different from TKD in execution.

    Now even in Korea there are dozens of so called Original HKD styles, but over 90% go back to Ji Han Jae lineage, lesser to Kim Moo Hong, and a few that go to Choi Yong Sool (Yu Sool) but they also call their system Hapkido although it's purely Japanese Jujutsu.
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    Posted On:
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    Wing Chun Wing Tsun.

    Basically, everything you said in the post below, is considered a lineage war.

    Looking through this schools info I don't see it as an original Hapkido rather there are elements of HKD and elements of other systems.

    If you like that fine, but don't think you'll be learning the real stuff.

    Real HKD comes through two lines Choi Yong Sool directly (unaltered) or Ji Han Jae (unaltered).


    Many people take elements of HKD and mix it with what ever floats their boat and still call it HKD, but that's not authentic HKD.

    There are big differences and the quality of tech often suffers greatly in Mc Hapkido Dojangs.
    He is being sarcastic. Wing chun has existed for at least a a couple of hundred of years. HKD isn't a hundred years and the lineage wars are just as bad.
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    Posted On:
    12/13/2008 8:54pm

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    I see thanks.

    I know MA change and adapt that's to be expected, even GM Ji knows it and talks about it. We're far from blind to change.

    Problem is when "just anybody" makes changes they're often just mixing arts pot luck style and they stir the pot but make no significant contribution to MA.

    In every generation there's only a hand full of real special people the rest are follwers.

    B. Lee, Ji Han Jae, J. Kano, H. Gracie, Ed Parker, Uyesiba, to name a few are rarities.

    These people had a vision and depth to create something big and something worth while.

    Some guy mixing Kung and HKD or Muay Thai and Bjj is not the same thing as the greats.
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