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  1. Lu Tze is offline

    BJJ might make you a better ground fighter, but Judo will make you a better dancer.

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    Certainly seems that way. One thing to bare in mind also is that Helio, bless his cotton socks, is touched in the head just a little fucking bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lu Tze
    Certainly seems that way. One thing to bare in mind also is that Helio, bless his cotton socks, is touched in the head just a little fucking bit.
    Hilarity.

    He is abit eccentric isnt he.
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    Posted On:
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    It is true that as Judo was propgated around the world, the terms Judo and jiujitsu (and yeah, it was usualy spelled jiujitsu or jujitsu and not jujutsu) were often used interchangably. It is also true that many Judoka cross trained or had backgrounds in more classical forms of JJJ. I think what we have here is a case of Kimura knowing Maeda was a Judoka and knowing that Helio had kodokan rank, so he simply used the term Judo as a catch all term even though Helio referred to his own art as Jiujitsu.
  5. rino86 is offline

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    Helio Gracie weighed 170lbs? I always thought he was like 125-140lbs. 170, especially in the 1950's, is not that small. Everything I believed in is a lie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    This fight ocurred in 1955 [...] 30 years after Kano revamped the rules of Judo (in 1925). By the time this fight took place, Judo had over 3 decades of being clearly defined in its fundamental shape and form. [...] These blurry lines that you refer to would have been true if you were comparing Judo in its still formative periods of the 1910's and what Maeda taught to Carlos Gracie.
    I'm not much of a Judo historian, so forgive me if this is a foolish question. Kimura began his Judo training in 1927, which means that his instructors were all pre-revamp judoka with significant ne-waza experience. Wouldn't that make it likely that the Judo of Kimura was more like Maeda's Judo than the modern (especially post-WWII) stuff? That is: although what was taught at the Kodokan in 1955 was very different from what Maeda had, wouldn't the line between GJJ and Kimura's Judo be more "blurry"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    it is not clear what exactly Maeda taught Carlos Gracie. [...] One thing is certain. Whatever Maeda taught the Gracies was not was was being taught as Judo during that time [...]
    I've read a bit about this, but I haven't really found anything that informative. The general consensus seems to be Judo + wrestling takedowns. Have you found anything else that seems reliable? Thanks in advance.
    “Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
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    Posted On:
    10/30/2007 11:59pm

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    Kimura was taught by a man named Ushijima Tatsukushima. The dude had unnatural strength and had great newaza. Obviously this influenced Kimura. Judo forum tells more about him than I ever can.

    http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopic=13087

    Also search ushijima on that forum, if you have the time, you will find nuggets of gold about him.
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