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  1. Jadonblade is offline
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    Helio Vs Kimura - Kimura's account

    Took this from

    http://www.jiujitsuforums.com/

    Found it very interesting and thought it might provoke some discussion from which people like me who are keen about learning more about BJJ would enjoy.

    Here is Kimura's take on the fight:

    http://www.judoinfo.com/kimura2.htm

    One day, Helio Gracie, judo 6th dan, issued a challenge to us. The rule of the bout was different from that of judo or pro wrestling. The winner was decided by submission only. No matter how cleanly a throw is executed or how long Osaekomi lasts, it does not count. He issued a challenge to Kato 5th dan first. The gong rang. Kato was in good condition, and threw Helio a number of times. However, past 15 minute mark, I started to see frustration in Kato's face. The throws had no damage on Helio since the mat was soft. At 30 min mark, it was evident that Kato was tired. "What's the matter, Kato, go to Newaza, don't stand up!" Japanese audience yelled. Kato then threw Helio down by O-soto-gari, mounted on Helio, and started Juji-jime. The audience roared with excitement. But, as I watched carefully, Helio was also applying a choke from below. They were trying to choke out each other. This lasted about 3 or 4 minutes. Kato's face started to turn pale. I shouted, "Stop!" to the referee, and jumped into the ring. When Helio released his hands, Kato collapsed onto the mat, face first. Two days after this bout, I saw Helio's students marching down a city street carrying a coffin. They were shouting, "Dead Japanese judoka Kato is in this coffin. He got killed by Helio. We ask your support for Judo Master Helio Gracie!"

    After this bout, the popularity of our pro wrestling show declined rapidly. The Japanese whom we encountered on the street murmured, "They must be phonies, losing in such a pathetic manner." Helio issued another challenge, this time to Yamaguchi. Pres. Mizuno of Sao Paulo Newspaper also begged, "Mr. Yamaguchi, please kill Helio, this time." But Yamaguchi seemed reluctant, and asked "Let me think for one night." If he fought a judo match under the Japanese rule, Yamaguchi is superior to Helio both in Tachi-waza and Newaza. But under the Brazilian rule, if Helio got pinned on the ground, all he has to do is to stay calm and be cautious not to get caught in a choke or joint lock, and remain still till the time runs out. Helio could fight to a draw in this way. If he used this tactics, it would be difficult for Yamaguchi to make Helio surrender. I then said to Yamaguchi, "Do not bother to come up with a plan to make Helio submit. I will accept the challenge." Until the day of the bout, we continued pro wrestling shows every other day. 3 days before the bout, local newspaper had a big headline, saying "Kimura is not a Japanese. He seems to be a Cambodian. Helio cannot fight a fake Japanese." I was surprised to see it. I rushed to the Embassy of Japan with my passport, and got a proof that I am a Japanese.


    Kimura applying joint lock to Helio Gracie
    20,000 people came to see the bout including President of Brazil. Helio was 180cm and 80kg. When I entered the stadium, I found a coffin. I asked what it was. I was told, "This is for Kimura. Helio brought this in." It was so funny that I almost burst into laughter. As I approached the ring, raw eggs were thrown at me. The gong rang. Helio grabbed me in both lapels, and attacked me with O-soto-gari and Kouchi-gari. But they did not move me at all. Now it's my turn. I blew him away up in the air by O-uchi-gari, Harai-goshi, Uchimata, Ippon-seoi. At about 10 minute mark, I threw him by O-soto-gari. I intended to cause a concussion. But since the mat was so soft that it did not have much impact on him. While continuing to throw him, I was thinking of a finishing method. I threw him by O-soto-gari again. As soon as Helio fell, I pinned him by Kuzure-kami-shiho-gatame. I held still for 2 or 3 minutes, and then tried to smother him by belly. Helio shook his head trying to breathe. He could not take it any longer, and tried to push up my body extending his left arm. That moment, I grabbed his left wrist with my right hand, and twisted up his arm. I applied Udegarami. I thought he would surrender immediately. But Helio would not tap the mat. I had no choice but keep on twisting the arm. The stadium became quiet. The bone of his arm was coming close to the breaking point. Finally, the sound of bone breaking echoed throughout the stadium. Helio still did not surrender. His left arm was already powerless. Under this rule, I had no choice but twist the arm again. There was plenty of time left. I twisted the left arm again. Another bone was broken. Helio still did not tap. When I tried to twist the arm once more, a white towel was thrown in. I won by TKO. My hand was raised high. Japanese Brazilians rushed into the ring and tossed me up in the air. On the other hand, Helio let his left arm hang and looked very sad withstanding the pain.
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    I love reading stuff like this. It's baffling to imagine one of history's greatest grapplers trying to tap a formidable opponent with a belly smother. It makes you wonder how you'd fare against them today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyd
    It's baffling to imagine one of history's greatest grapplers trying to tap a formidable opponent with a belly smother. It makes you wonder how you'd fare against them today.
    Another thing I like about these old accounts are the parallels with modern strategies and ideas. For instance, in the above-linked article where Kimura talks about his first Vale Tudo match against Adema Santana:

    While I was thinking "Adema is one level higher than I both in kicks and open hand strikes. In order to win, I must take the fight to the ground" [...] I wanted to get close to him, throw him, get on top of him, and use Newaza. If I succeed in this, I could use elbow strikes and head butts.
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    I read through it and I wondering how Kato could get choked out while applying a choke in mount? Maybe it was faulty memory on Kimura's part and Kato was trying to apply a choke while in Helio's guard, but I don't understand that part of the story.
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    I wonder how long that fight would of gone on for on a wooden floor.
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    Helio was 180 cm and 80 kilo? I always thought he was much smaller than that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadonblade
    I wonder how long that fight would of gone on for on a cement floor with broken glass all around.
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    The Kool Aid tasted so strange when I first watched Gracie In Action back in the early 90's... Gracie Jiu Jitsu undefeated in over 65 years. And yet there was Helio with a broken arm. Bitter indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twKoxinga
    I read through it and I wondering how Kato could get choked out while applying a choke in mount? Maybe it was faulty memory on Kimura's part and Kato was trying to apply a choke while in Helio's guard, but I don't understand that part of the story.
    I think back then the difference between mount and guard was probably considered negligible and not worth differentiating. It's possible back then the perception was all that mattered was Kimura being on top.
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    3) Kacey is coming with me now. I have stolen her from the other Christian Weston Chandler.

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