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  1. ZENLO is offline

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    From what I understand is that he took out espionage, finding hurbs to create medicine and home made gunpowder out of the trainning because face it who really needs that?

    I've seen alot of clips from traditional ninjitsu/bujinken/tuijitsy clips and they seem very similar to an untrained person like myself.

    I 've hered of in another forum that there is karate in it too but I don't see that either.

    I get the feeling that bullshido makes claims on what is bullshit without any evidence what soever is this the kind of forum that only like martial arts the they see on UFC becuase from what I have read so far every martial arts such and is bullshit unless its MMA.

    I did learn alot about what to look at what to stay away with lengthy contracts, and I've seen some really funny stuff to.
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    That clip didn't look to bad really. He is explaining everything pretty throughly and the defenses are to semi-realistic attacks. If they spar regularly it would probably be worth checking out.
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    The opening of that clip made me want to throw up... and I almost did. It takes a real deleusional person to have an opening comprised of ninjer moves as they put on an over glitter-golden samurai costume and pair of eBay swords.

    In the meaty section of the video I find: Suprising un-use of the karate lunge-punch as the basis of attack, people in some form of TKD + Random extra gear that may hint at sparring (What type, it doesn't show) and over exagerrated boxing hooks and crosses.

    The compliancy isn't really an issue since it is supposed to be some sort of into or technique guide like that, but the way the people really didn't know how to throw punches without somehow getting wildly off-balanced all by themselves sort of struck me as funny (And I don't even do a striking art).

    This is just an analysis of the video itself and not the art, but from what I can tell so far: You'd be better off taking Judo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWarCheese
    The opening of that clip made me want to throw up... and I almost did. It takes a real deleusional person to have an opening comprised of ninjer moves as they put on an over glitter-golden samurai costume and pair of eBay swords.
    Hayes always had a flare for drama (his educational training was in Acting) and it often gets the better of him. It seems to have gotten worse since he got involved in creating To-Shin Do as a franchise martial arts system though he was always a bit of a cheese-ball.

    In the meaty section of the video I find: Suprising un-use of the karate lunge-punch as the basis of attack, people in some form of TKD + Random extra gear that may hint at sparring (What type, it doesn't show) and over exagerrated boxing hooks and crosses.
    To-Shin Do isn't terrible stuff, technically. My biggest issue with it is that it rests on a lot of 80s style Ninja imagery and I'm a bit torqued by Hayes' attempt at selling it as a path to Enlightenment, whatever that term my ultimately mean. And the role playing in practice leaves me less then impressed. Here's an example of what I mean

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoQMQsq6AG0

    The compliancy isn't really an issue since it is supposed to be some sort of into or technique guide like that, but the way the people really didn't know how to throw punches without somehow getting wildly off-balanced all by themselves sort of struck me as funny (And I don't even do a striking art).
    The material in that clip is from their second level of training or for folks who have been training their basics for a few months. I figure lots of slow movements and set ups to get the methods right is to be expected, at least on the basic techniques demonstrations.

    This is just an analysis of the video itself and not the art, but from what I can tell so far: You'd be better off taking Judo.
    I'm not sold on To-Shin Do as a first art or even as a primary art for people to train in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitz
    Hayes always had a flare for drama (his educational training was in Acting) and it often gets the better of him. It seems to have gotten worse since he got involved in creating To-Shin Do as a franchise martial arts system though he was always a bit of a cheese-ball.
    Oi! Cheese-balls are wonderful, delicious and come in handy for large parties or groups. I don't think Haye's inteo fits any of those categories.

    And I can definitely see the drama influence in him. I have a friend who went to Emmerson (Acting school) and I must say, from what it sounds like over there his video might be very popular.


    To-Shin Do isn't terrible stuff, technically. My biggest issue with it is that it rests on a lot of 80s style Ninja imagery and I'm a bit torqued by Hayes' attempt at selling it as a path to Enlightenment, whatever that term my ultimately mean. And the role playing in practice leaves me less then impressed. Here's an example of what I mean

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoQMQsq6AG0
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    Wow.
    I remember doing things like this in Krotty, except even we didn't take it either that far or seriously (Though there was a competition for it in t3h-ub3r-T0urnament our school frequented).

    The thing about RP is the blurring the line between acting/play-acting and real life and it can get people in trouble. It's usually made by people who never experienced a lot of actal life and are compensating a lack of first hand knowledge with general stereotypes and assumptions in which they, invariably, are always calm/cool/collected when IRL they rarely are in a social environment. (At least, this has been my experience and understanding)

    The material in that clip is from their second level of training or for folks who have been training their basics for a few months. I figure lots of slow movements and set ups to get the methods right is to be expected, at least on the basic techniques demonstrations.
    I'm fine with slow and compliancy for basic level learning techniques, especially on camera, the thing about it was even moving as slowly as they did, if they didn't even get blocked (but dodged instead) the attacker would often lurch, exageratting the miss and practically throwing themselves without being touched. It was just complaince for technique display, it was just bad technique. (Made them look like they couldn't throw a punch. Not saying that I could, but it just looked very poor)

    I'm not sold on To-Shin Do as a first art or even as a primary art for people to train in.
    I'll have to look into it a lot more on my own (Unless there's already a dedicated thread in MBAS, for which I will have to search) but at the moment I wouldn't even bother with it at all.
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    Thanks for all of your responces I clearly know what to do now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZENLO
    From what I understand is that he took out espionage, finding hurbs to create medicine and home made gunpowder out of the trainning because face it who really needs that?

    I've seen alot of clips from traditional ninjitsu/bujinken/tuijitsy clips and they seem very similar to an untrained person like myself.

    I 've hered of in another forum that there is karate in it too but I don't see that either.

    I get the feeling that bullshido makes claims on what is bullshit without any evidence what soever is this the kind of forum that only like martial arts the they see on UFC becuase from what I have read so far every martial arts such and is bullshit unless its MMA.

    I did learn alot about what to look at what to stay away with lengthy contracts, and I've seen some really funny stuff to.
    I agree with you, bullshido is more about MMA/UFC
    and bullshido is also more about finding BS Arts! In my opinion, they do seem like to make claims on what is BS without any evidence, what they do get is rumor's from online. Don't get me wrong bullshido is a cool place to chat about MA, but when it become's talking about Toshindo, BJJ, GEN, or Jij, or anyother thing that has ninjutsu in it, they would jump all over you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitz
    My biggest issue with it is that it rests on a lot of 80s style Ninja imagery and I'm a bit torqued by Hayes' attempt at selling it as a path to Enlightenment, whatever that term my ultimately mean.
    Hayes is a legitimate Buddhist Tendai priest. Don't dismiss something merely because you don't understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark2001
    I agree with you, bullshido is more about MMA/UFC
    and bullshido is also more about finding BS Arts! In my opinion, they do seem like to make claims on what is BS without any evidence, what they do get is rumor's from online. Don't get me wrong bullshido is a cool place to chat about MA, but when it become's talking about Toshindo, BJJ, GEN, or Jij, or anyother thing that has ninjutsu in it, they would jump all over you.

    Only if you are stupid.
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