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  1. isol8d is offline

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    "Perfect Pushup"

    I was reading a review of the Perfect Pushup, and one sentence caught me off guard:

    "As a SEAL Team TWO platoon commander, LCDR Mills' platoon was chosen for a one year study to determine why SEALs suffered unusually high injury rates during their careers. (73% of SEALs were on disability after 20 years of service) After learning the injuries were linked to their training methods, SEAL trainers switched from age-old body building techniques to Functional Training."


    Pushups are great, this device might work, but can anyone substantiate the above claim?

    Second, has anyone used these yet?


    Perfect Pushup Review
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    Well to be fair, a SEAL would have no business training like a bodybuilder anyway.

    A lot of people dislike the term functional training but i still use it to describe more unorthodox weight routines, alongside power, endurance, strength etc.
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    it should be called the "Perfect Sucker Locator"
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    Reminds me of that $14,000 exercise machine that looks like a one-man-band set up. Man, there's a lot of bullshido in fitness.
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    are you dissing on the bow flex!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    Reminds me of that $14,000 exercise machine that looks like a one-man-band set up. Man, there's a lot of bullshido in fitness.
    You can say that again man. I just finished reading that review, and what a fucking truckload of crap that is!!!

    Time to dissect this ****:
    Pushups have long been a staple of any body weight workout routine and the true measure of a man. Any physical fitness test done at schools or in bars by college students revolves around the amount done in a given time or overall amount done to failure. The pushup is also the staple of the Navy Seals and before even arriving at the Basic Underwater Demolition / Seal training, the candidate must pass a physical exam including pushups. What the seals learned from years of trial and error, was that basic bodybuilding routines and programs created worn out shoulders and other body parts.
    Since fucking when did a push up became a basic bodybuilding routine? Since when have the Navy Seals engaged in bodybuilding programs? To any readers wondering about this product review this is your very first fucking red flag.
    After extensive testing to determine why their seals were being injured, the end result was the Perfect Pushup.
    Can someone provide a reference to this study? Who conducted it? Was does it mean by "end result"? Are they claiming their commercial product is the result of a study done by the Navy Seals (assuming such a study actually exists)?
    The military realized that 73% of Navy Seals were on disability after 20 years of service so they spent an entire year researching why and found that it was the traditional weight training exercises that did the damage. They switched to functional training and the Perfect Pushup was invented.
    What the **** is functional training, and what the **** does this device has to do with Navy Seal training?
    The Perfect Pushup is designed to rotate with your body as you put it through the pushup movement. The natural tendency of your shoulders and chest is to rotate, so the perfect pushup rotates with you as you do the movement. The result is less injuries and a better built body.
    Oh, really? For any knuckledragger out there who buys this, let me ask you this. Imagine your car stops dead, and you have to push it while somebody else is at the steering weel. You go to the back, and you put your hands on the trunk. And then you begin to push.

    Do you fucking rotate the position of your hands as you push? As you push, you'll invariably change the angle at which your elbows are flexed (as you adapt to the conditions while pushing the car). Everytime you flex your elbows, do you reposition your hands?

    I mean, we are fucking build to apply force with our hands fixed in a static position. That's the natural function of our bodies. That's functional. This devise is not. It may accomodate you if you have a shoulder injury, but let's not delude ourselves into calling this functional.

    Moreover, if you have shoulder problems, you need to do rehab. There are much better ways to fix and correct shoulder problems than this.

    If you cannot do a push up (or apply a push) without having to re-position your hands, if your ligaments cannot take the torque, you have a functional problem right there buddy.

    The solution is to fix it, and not masquerading it with some overprized gizmo.

    Man, I hate this ****. I hate when people get suckers to buy their "functional" ****, and I hate when they try to associate their **** to the military.

    I hate that crap with a passion.
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    That commercial and product are fucking stupid. Why would a Navy SEAL be informed about exercise as much as a personal trainer is an expert on covert warfare? Don't waste your money.
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    I'm not one to buy every exercise fad that hits the market. However, the Navy spends ALOT of money in SpecWar/Dive community figuring out what the best gear and training methods are. They switched the BUD/S students over to Bates 924s for boots from regular combat/jungle boots, for example.
    I don't know whether or not this "perfect pushup" thing is the **** or not, but Navy does have people that really know what they're talking about when it comes to exercise. Hell, they have enough guys DOR out of BUD/S, they don't need Team guys getting unnecessary injuries from faulty training methods. They spend millions training those guys, it'd be a waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feedback
    That commercial and product are fucking stupid. Why would a Navy SEAL be informed about exercise as much as a personal trainer is an expert on covert warfare? Don't waste your money.
    STEWART SMITH
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
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    I think that it could be usefull. It would probably also work muscles in wich a regular push up won't because of the twist of the arm as you go up and down. The extra movement will work the stabilizer muscles in the arm that don't usually get worked doing a regular push up. Now the gimmick in which they are selling the thing does throw up red flags but the actual movement might be usefull.
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