10/17/2007 7:44am, #11Originally Posted by slideyfoot
I will call Gracie Torrance today to find out.Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
10/17/2007 8:12am, #12
Originally Posted by slideyfoot
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10/17/2007 8:50am, #13
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How many hours of instruction are being offered?
If it is in the neighborhood of 80 hours over the 2 weeks this is the norm for military combative instructor certifications.
The sales pitch is a bit over the top, but that is also the norm."Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
10/17/2007 8:32pm, #14
Even at 80 hours, that is the equivalent of, say, 14 weeks of BJJ class at six hours a week.
I've done a little more than double that and I barely have my white belt with stripes and I'm nowhere near ready to start teaching anyone anything other than the BJJ tournament point system, much less qualified for a blue belt. Now, I'm no phenom, obviously, but still. 80 hours seems a bit light.
10/17/2007 8:47pm, #15
This is most likely the Gracie attempt at cashing in on Modern Army Combatives by marketing them to the civilian population. Color me not surprised."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
10/17/2007 10:24pm, #16
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- University of South Florida
Get Certified to Teach in 2 Weeks
No Previous Grappling Experience
10/18/2007 1:15am, #17
Originally Posted by Cassius
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- Washington State
Also, I didn't know about the 1 month thing with Speed Jiu-Jitsu. I actually have that tape and thought the concepts were interesting. Unfortunately, the production was garbage and the techniques didn't have any logical flow to them.
10/18/2007 7:50am, #18
I think the connection between the Combatives Techniques and the Blue Belt is actually intentionally misleading on the part of the advertisers.
If you notice, the ad doesn't say, "When you complete the course, you are awarded a Blue Belt." What it says is, "When you've perfected the 34 Combatives techniques, you'll be awarded your Blue Belt." That's a very different thing.
Now, 34 techniques is well over the "minimum number" of techniques that Royler and Renzo listed as being required for a Blue Belt in their book, Essential Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. But, as everyone knows, it takes a lot more than just knowing the techniques to have perfected them. Knowing the technique and knowing how and when to use the technique are entirely separate concepts.
It looks to me like the Combatives Certification is similarly separate from a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Blue Belt. The ad doesn't come right out and say as much because more people will join if they think they're actually becoming good at BJJ after two weeks of training (intensive, though it may be).
10/18/2007 8:11am, #19
They may be very clever in a bastard way, you only get the belt if you perfect the techniques. So basically you fail the exam and they get their money. Thus the art remains undiluted and they remain rich. If you pass the exam then your a born natural and may even deserve it.
10/18/2007 8:14am, #20
Two comments, does anyone have a list of the 34 techniques and could you post it please? Second, there is a big difference between 80 hours of continuous training over 2 weeks and 80 hours of intermittent training over 14 + weeks. I am not saying you would necessarily be a blue belt but your skills would be a lot better than you would think. Also this is not competition level jiu-jitsu.