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    Good stuff. So if you had 1 month to train someone to fight a random stranger it would be a boxing/bjj combo?

    Thats not to say a slow progression is neccesarily bad, unless you want a broken spine you gotta learn the breakfalls, posture etc. Some may have higher rewards but take longer to develop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadonblade
    Good stuff. So if you had 1 month to train someone to fight a random stranger it would be a boxing/bjj combo?
    Basically, but why would you be preparing to fight some random stranger?

    Isnt that a bit of a strange thing to prepare for? Unless your going to school to be a mugger.
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    judo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askari
    Basically, but why would you be preparing to fight some random stranger?

    Isnt that a bit of a strange thing to prepare for? Unless your going to school to be a mugger.
    Just as a hypothetical situation. That way people could have "coaching" comps. You have to take a complete novice and train them up for a given time (maybe a month), the winning novice will show who is the best trainer with the most quickly rewarding art. Assuming all novices are the same in natural ability, height, weight, strength and speed. :pancakebu

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndoChinese
    judo.
    No way dude. Just learning how to breakfall properly can be a pain in the ass.

    I guess the OP's question is very rethorical. How does one gauge the amount of MA learning in a given amount of time? If one learns faster in X ma than in Y ma, what was learned? What exactly is it learned?
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    hmmmm....you can learn ukemi and basic takedowns in about six months.

    so what do you think is faster then, and effective in real time?

    i do tcma 'teh deadly' and i still think judo is one of the best and quickest ways to learn some self defense. the no strikes is a problem, but that can be solved pretty quickly by training entries against various strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndoChinese
    hmmmm....you can learn ukemi and basic takedowns in about six months.

    so what do you think is faster then, and effective in real time?

    i do tcma 'teh deadly' and i still think judo is one of the best and quickest ways to learn some self defense. the no strikes is a problem, but that can be solved pretty quickly by training entries against various strikes.

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    I agree with El Macho, judo definitely doesn't have the best progression curve. I judge this kind of thing by asking, "Can a guy with a month's worth of solid training expect to be able to defeat a slightly larger, stronger untrained opponent a large majority of the time?" This is not true of judo, but it is of BJJ and probably boxing.

    The amount of training you have to put into judo before you get a noticeable boost in practical ability is pretty high compared with other arts.

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    I have to go with BJJ, it took me about 6 or 7 months to actually attempt the throws I've learned, on other people. While on the other hand I was trying for submissions after I was shown them a couple of times.

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    a month?

    that quick you think?

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