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  1. Redtail is offline

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    10/12/2007 10:55pm

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    That's Kenpo?

    Be fore I started in MMA my Martial arts background was Kenpo, Kendo, Wrestling, and Capoeira. The same old Japanese guy taught me Kenpo and Kendo. Looking at some of the Kenpo vids here I can truly say that I recognized very little. Some of those throws were just... insane. I mean there was no grabbing someone's wrist and tossing them away. The throws I learned were more Judo like (AFAIK since I've never taken Judo) and were done with resistance, as in your partner would try to stop you when you were learning the technique and then you'd both try to throw each other. The striking and blocks were worked on at 1/4 speed then half speed and then we sparred M F.

    Has anybody else had a Kenpo class like this or is the majority of Kenpo like the videos?
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    Posted On:
    10/12/2007 11:11pm


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    A lot of Ke?po has gone to Bullshido. When I did EPAK, some of the "throws" were done by wrist lock, but it was a throw with an actual chance of working (I know, because the rule in our school was that you don't go down unless the technique actually made you go down). It is really hard to find actual Ke?po that isn't bullshido these days. I've looked around, and most of it is.
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    Posted On:
    10/12/2007 11:27pm

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    I had a crappy Ke?po LARPing experience, 7th dan, we had seminars with Jeff Speakman (7th dan, my school was his state rep said a sticker.) and Mike Pick (10th dan GM) and a bunch of other losers...

    KempoFist seems to be the big kenpo know it all on bullshido here, im sure he can tell you a bunch.
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    Posted On:
    10/12/2007 11:50pm


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    Christian, didn't you do Kenpo for like, a month?
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    Posted On:
    10/13/2007 1:43am

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     Style: Kaju, BJJ, Judo, Kempo

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    bushi, what type of kenpo did you do? If it was Okinawan or Shorinji Kenpo it will be vastly different than most of the vids you've seen here
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    Posted On:
    10/13/2007 3:00am


     Style: Kickboxing/Grappling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redtail
    Be fore I started in MMA my Martial arts background was Kenpo, Kendo, Wrestling, and Capoeira. The same old Japanese guy taught me Kenpo and Kendo. Looking at some of the Kenpo vids here I can truly say that I recognized very little. Some of those throws were just... insane. I mean there was no grabbing someone's wrist and tossing them away. The throws I learned were more Judo like (AFAIK since I've never taken Judo) and were done with resistance, as in your partner would try to stop you when you were learning the technique and then you'd both try to throw each other. The striking and blocks were worked on at 1/4 speed then half speed and then we sparred M F.

    Has anybody else had a Kenpo class like this or is the majority of Kenpo like the videos?
    I have. As KF said, the Hawaiian things called kenpo is probably not what you (or I) was doing, since ken/mpo is a petty generic term. My own experience was about five years of basics, a few tricks and sparring and then working through 1 set a year at advanced level as well.

    The throws were not so much like judo in my case though. After getting smothered, twisted and slammed in a friendly match with judoka I've dropped the old-style throws.
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    Posted On:
    10/13/2007 1:21pm


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    Kempofist, I did Parker's American Kenpo, Parker-Planas lineage, under a 5th Black. Yes, there is a main difference between what I see in videos on the web, and what I trained, in that I trained with actual contact, we sparred a lot (and not just point sparring), and My instructor, as well as his first partner in the dojo, had Judo training which they incorporated into our training. It wasn't about the flashy moves and looking good moving fast, it was about actually trying to train for SD.
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    Posted On:
    10/13/2007 6:45pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushi_no_ki
    Kempofist, I did Parker's American Kenpo, Parker-Planas lineage, under a 5th Black. Yes, there is a main difference between what I see in videos on the web, and what I trained, in that I trained with actual contact, we sparred a lot (and not just point sparring), and My instructor, as well as his first partner in the dojo, had Judo training which they incorporated into our training. It wasn't about the flashy moves and looking good moving fast, it was about actually trying to train for SD.
    How long ago did you train? From hearsay I know that Parkers guys used to do the Full Contact Karate thing, which would really remove a lot of the BS you see today. Either that, or you found a diamond in the rough :5flowerfa
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    Posted On:
    10/13/2007 9:14pm


     Style: TMA, MMA

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    KempoFist, diamond in the rough, sad to say. This was only a few years ago. For tournaments, we did point sparring, but we only trained for tournaments a week or two in advance, and we didn't have special kata or anything. I made it as far as blue belt, before life began interfering (college, deaths in the family, the military). I'm looking for something more grappling oriented these days, as soon as I hit E4 and 2 years TIS.
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    Posted On:
    10/14/2007 10:46am

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    Quote Originally Posted by switchblade
    Christian, didn't you do Kenpo for like, a month?
    About a year.
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