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  1. bitparity is offline

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    Can a Rear Naked Choke substitute for anesthetic?

    I was thinking about this as I was watching the amputation scene in Master and Commander, and also about what would happen in the far post-nuclear apocalyptic future without anesthetic.

    So say a man's arm is severely injured, and needs to be hacked off. There's no anesthetic around. Couldn't you use a choke to cut off the carotid artery to your patient to make that person pass out, then quickly hack off the limb while they're unconscious? You could probably even maintain the blood choke for a period of 10-15 seconds without permanent brain damage.

    I was wondering if there was a reason this is a bad idea, and if it wasn't a bad idea, why no one in our ancient past thought to do it? Sure beats being awake while they saw your arm off.
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    Posted On:
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    Wait what?
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    He wants to know if he should put a tourniquet on his neck before he cuts his leg off.
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    Posted On:
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    Serious answer:

    Dude, you can't keep RNC'ing the patient as he's getting his limb chopped off. Imagine if you first RNC him. Then, as he's regaining conciousness he goes "aaaaaahh, oh **** my leg". Are you gonna choke him again. Sounds kinda fun but impractical.

    Plus the ancient and no-so ancient had stuff like opium and other herbal **** that would knock you off into zzzz land (or "oooohhh the colors, even pain has colors" land.)
    Last edited by Teh El Macho; 10/09/2007 12:07pm at .
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    Posted On:
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    You'd be better off getting a heavyweight boxer to knock you out.
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  6. bitparity is offline

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    No what I'm saying is. What if you hold onto the choke after he passes out. It's a blood choke because you've cut off all blood to his head, thus brain can not interpret pain signals, he's not feeling anything. But the brain can usually survive for about a minute without oxygen and nutrients. The heart will still pump as long as blood is flowing (which it is to everything below the neck).

    So I'm suggesting, hold the blood choke for 10-15 seconds AFTER unconsciousness, use that time to amputate while consciousness and nervous system is still down. The doctor would have to work fast to cut it off in that amount of time, but feasible.

    The things I wonder about are **** like is blood pressure affected? Which is why they have to operate in war zones without anesthetic, because it could slow the heart down, etc. I'm just wondering if we end up in a time without anesthetic, if this could be an option for painless amputation.
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    Who told you than an amputation takes 10 to 15 seconds?
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Posted On:
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    Are you so desperate to use your skillz 'fer r3al' in an effort to find self-validation that you sit around and think up cock-and-bull hypothetical ideas like this one?

    Sheesh.

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    (Ya see mama! Now I iz anesthetist!)
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    I tuck my kids in at night with RNCs. Makes them sleep really quickly and enforces discipline to boot. **** bedtime stories!
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    I can just picture a run-down dentist's office in the ghetto...... A hefty man repeativly strangling a patient while the dentist tries to perform an extraction with a spoon.
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