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  1. Matt W. is offline
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    What are the other LEO's opinion on off duty carry.
    I'm a CCO (PO) not a real cop, so we don't get to carry off duty unless we have our own CCW. But most of the CCO's that carry (it's optional for us even when on duty) also have their CCW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ojgsxr6
    What are the other LEO's opinion on off duty carry.
    I carry, but by policy I'm only supposed to carry my issue weapon (or get a CCW like an ordinary joe). The P2000 isn't my first choice in a firearm, but if I ever have to use it I want the legal coverage that comes along with using my issue weapon and creds.

    Some of my fellow agents never take their weapons out of their gunbelts. They don't want to have a duty to act should something happen while they're off duty. While I disagree with their attitude, I like it more than the guys who wear their badge and gun in plain view everywhere they go.
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    Policy states that I cannot carry off duty - however, there is no actual legal prohibition basis for this, merely whatr my force states...I think it is the same throughout the rest of the province.

    I typically carry a blade when OD though

    As for the general populace having guns, I am generally against it. I see too much stupidity with cars and alcohol to convince me that the average man or woman can be trusted with anything more dangerous than a kazoo
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    The stats I would like to know about are about the effectiveness of guns for self-defense. There is a common perception here in South Africa that its more likely that your own firearm will be used against you. Of course this perception is being touted by a lobby group (Gun Free South Africa, http://www.gca.org.za).

    For the people who are unaware South Africa has the highest murder rate in the world something like 50,000 per year. In fact there were 3 murders 3 roads down from my house over a four day period (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...03375,00.html), and we live in a 'good' area. Ironically it is now really really difficult to obtain a gun legally in SA, it can take up to 2 years!!!

    Violent crime in SA has reached such ridiculous levels that our community now has a CB radio network and we has a rota of community patrols.

    Okay, I am done ranting for now... but this **** really pisses me off!!
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    The problem with stats on weapons used for self defense is how many cases go unreported. Many times brandishing the weapon is sufficient to subdue your garden-variety burgler. The weapon wasn't fired, so it doesn't get reported, but the firearm most definately stoped the criminal.

    Also, many of the statistics used by gun-control groups are manipulated to make their point. For example, suicides are routinely included in that figure indicating that your gun is "more likely to be used against you," and the "children killed by gun violence" are anyone under 25, including gang bangers shot by the police durring drug raids. Look carefuly at the stats, and you should find some gaping holes to exploit.
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    As for the general populace having guns, I am generally against it. I see too much stupidity with cars and alcohol to convince me that the average man or woman can be trusted with anything more dangerous than a kazoo
    Non sequitur.

    Oh, you mentioned "province". Good. Stay in non-America.
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    As for the general populace having guns, I am generally against it. I see too much stupidity with cars and alcohol to convince me that the average man or woman can be trusted with anything more dangerous than a kazoo
    I actually think most people are stupid in things that are just plain silly and harmless. Examples of these are not managing their budgets well, not knowing enough about their own countries (in terms of geography, history, law), being too trusting to salesmen (they trust too much), and giving up in implementing changes that may help them in their lifes because they require a lot of effort to fully comprehend.

    But that's about it. The average person is not stupid or careless in a violent way. One has to look around at one's neighbours to see this. Except for the shittiest neighborhoods, most people aren't prone to violence or recklesness.

    It should not follow that an abundance of stupidy with cars and alcohol by a sector of the population (usually alpha male or alpha-wannabe-male, and in their early 20's) is a character flaw that exists in the rest of the population.

    Law abiding people should have a right to own, store and carry a gun according to the guidelines specified by the law if they meet the legal criteria of the state/county/city of residence.

    The only thing I'm concerned sometimes is that military grade weaponry is available for citizens while a lot of our LEOs don't carry such firepower - about a month ago, several LEOs armed with only sidearms were shot and killed by a fucker carrying a fucking assault rifle down here in South Florida.

    There should be far more control over the sales and possession of such weaponry. But other than that, a law-abiding person should have a right to legaly own a gun according to the guidelines specified by the law.
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    I think another problem is that people get a gun for self-defense, and then don't bother getting proper training or running through probable scenarios. So when the **** hits the fan they aren't prepared
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    The only thing I'm concerned sometimes is that military grade weaponry is available for citizens while a lot of our LEOs don't carry such firepower - about a month ago, several LEOs armed with only sidearms were shot and killed by a fucker carrying a fucking assault rifle down here in South Florida.

    There should be far more control over the sales and possession of such weaponry. [/b].

    I understand where you're coming from, but I disagree with any further regulation, including regulation of "so-called" assault weapons. Anything is possible, but I doubt further regulation would have prevented that incident. Cops should have better weaponry, and I think most do.

    Anyway, here's what I see as the problem with regulating assault weapons (I hate to even use that term, because it's meaningless), but I will for clarity: The problem is that gun control advocates usually argue for stiffer assault weapon laws based on them not being reasonable weapons for self-defense. But the problem with that is that it allows the gun control advocates to determine what is a realistic self-defense scenario.

    They reduce self-defense to the stereotypical "mugger in the parking lot" situation, or "bad guy kicking down your door" scenario. But they don't consider situations like governmental collapse or societal breakdown. I don't live in New Orleans, but I can tell you if I did, I would have wanted as much firepower as possible to protect myself and my family after Katrina. And there are tons of things that could happen to make things a hell of a lot more dangerous than that situation was. Why should anyone tell me I don't have the right to do what I think is necessary to prepare for that type of possibility?

    Most people probably consider the likelihood of roving gangs of thugs threatening them to be remote. I would even say it's not likely. But I also have flood insurance despite the fact that I live way up on a hill. I want lots of firepower to defend myself during the worst possible scenarios. That's a legitimate self-defense use in my mind. And that's why I'm against more regulations.
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