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  1. fanatical is offline
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    Hi, guys

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    It always amazes me how people are able to log on to bullshido, having heard nothing of the site's reputation, not reading any discussions before posting and becoming outraged at the lack of tact displayed by the members. And in YMAS to boot.

    pwnorseman. I salute you. From one Norseman to another. Are you a norseman btw? Do you have relatives in scandinavia? I suppose the norse stuff is kind of cool when it's a foreign thing. Kind of like Conan. The Vikings and stuff weren't really like Conan though.

    To answer your question with a yes or no answer. Yes, classical jujutsu contain weapon defenses. It is seldom(never) trained in an alive manner and is thus for the most part, useless. BJJ, Modern JJ and Judo contain some weapons defenses, but they usually suffer from the same problem, and regular training is based on defeating an attacker, not pretending to defend against weapons. (In modern JJ, this varies from school to school and from style to style)

    Next time you start a thread. Please realize that you're on Bullshido. Not MAP.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by pnwnorseman
    As I understand it, grappling arts generally don't teach much in the way of weapons use. I was curious if they taugh anything in the way of weapons defense? It seems the street/bar fight is the standard scenario for using your martial art. Since these two venues would likely be abundant with improvised weapons, it seems logical to teach some sort of defense against general weapons like staves, knives and clubs. This question is mainly derived from the idea of a grappler fighting a kendo fighter. How the **** does the grappler deal with this scenario? Yeah ONCE you get in close enough you have like 99% chance to win, but getting there is the battle. And try to remember that while there aren't nearly as many swords and bo staves around as there used to be, pipes, pool cues, broken bottles and many other improvised weapons immitate those styles of attack.
    Honestly, why are you hanging out at biker bars?
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    My guns bigger than Scrapper's!

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    Posted On:
    10/08/2007 9:24pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWarCheese
    Ugh...

    Want to be safe? Against a Kendoka? In a BAR???
    Luckily, they're easy to spot.
  5. Permalost is online now
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    pro nonsense self defense

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    Some WMAs have grappling against a knife type stuff. Arms and armor were considered, and they decided that grappling was still a good platform to start from and build on it from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicalmike235
    Lets say you trained in some martial art and know a technique that just might save you, but if it doesn't work, you will probably end up getting shot and killed. Is it worth risking your life over $20? Just give him the fucking money.

    More generally, when you are in any situation, think along these lines. What can I do that won't get me killed? Remember, your goal is to stay safe.
    He shoots, he scores!!!

    No matter what you do against knives, odds are that you're going to get cut. But it's better to know something that might save your ass than it is to know nothing. I'd rather face a gun up close than a knife up close--all you have to do with a gun is redirect the line of fire and keep it off of you. It's harder to gain control and neutralize a determined stabbing motion than an aimed gun.

    (Before all of the nutriders start freaking out, I'll clarify--by up close, I mean the gun has to be within your reach. Anybody outside that reach is going to ventilate your ass when you make your move).

    As an aside, I've always hated the archetypical "you're walking down a dark alley when suddenly" or "you're in a bar when suddenly" scenarios. I don't hang out in bars and I don't walk down dark alleys.
  7. Lebell is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian_
    Honestly, why are you hanging out at biker bars?
    He likes it when his boyfriend has a harley and wears leather outfits.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienGunfighter
    As an aside, I've always hated the archetypical "you're walking down a dark alley when suddenly" or "you're in a bar when suddenly" scenarios. I don't hang out in bars and I don't walk down dark alleys.
    You're walking through your local Super Wal-Mart, buying a 55 gallon drum of cinnamon for a dollar when suddenly AL-QAEDA ATTACKS!
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    Last night in bullet wrestling class, we addressed a lot of these dark alley and biker bar situations. The general concensus is that since we never survive the live training in bullet wrestling class, the alley and bar **** becomes superfluous.
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    Posted On:
    10/09/2007 10:05am

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    Some of the weapons defense stuff I learned in Tae Kwon Do was bad Judo, which is a grappling art. Take my word for it, I'm an expert in bad Judo.

    My favorite was when someone attacked you with a sword (maybe you're at a Renn Fair and you cut in front of one of the knights at the turkey leg booth), as they raise their arms up you rush in for Ippon Seionage.
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