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  1. Freddy is offline

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    Mercurius thanks for the info. Will check that out. Hate these Mcdojos there every where.

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    Thank you for pointing that out 9Chambers.

    You shouldn't be hitting a heavy bag without gloves in the first place. And it DOESN'T give you the same conditioning as the makiwara. But I am not a big fan of hardcore Makiwara training either. I like my hands nice and pretty and my knuckles seperate.

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    I'd find it hard to believe that you can develop the same calouses from a heavy bag than from a makiwara.

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  4. 9chambers

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    Yea, mutant hands are not real popular with the ladies.
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    Boxing + wrestling no doubt - The karata (unless kyokushin or similar) would let the the person down indefinitely, thouhg I think boxing is more effective than any form of karate. Wrestling because of the slams + takedowns. If they weren't wearing Gi, although Judo is still effective, wrestling specializes in the no-gi area so is better for this.
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    > Wrestling because of the slams + takedowns. If they weren't wearing Gi, although Judo is still effective, wrestling specializes in the no-gi area so is better for this.

    True but how often do you get in a fight, besides competition, where the person isn't wearing a shirt?

    For self defense I would still go with Judo.

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    Re: Boxing vs. Karate

    Hasn't anyone ever seen Don Wilson's match against boxer Art Jimmerson of UFC 1 fame?
    It happened in '87. And WIlson was allowed to do leg kicks. The boxer took a knockdown in most every round. You can buy a copy on vhs at donthedragonwilson.com. Also, there was another boxer vs karate matchup in the seventies involving a boxer named Horst Fraser or something. Anyone got info?
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    I got Gene Lebell vs a boxer. That was funny.
    And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.
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    I've seen it. What if the boxer didn't wear a karate gi? Would it've only delayed the inevitable?
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    Well, i think the question isnt specific enough. Exactly what senario are we referring too? Since karate and judo are rooted in self defense and boxing and wrestling are rooted in competition, id go with each for there respective scenario, although karate and judo are becoming increasingly competition oriented so its hard to say. Another thing to notice is that karate and judo have some overlap, so a practitioner may find it easy to crosstrain in both, while wrestling and boxing do not have overlap so the practitioner may find more variety and new techniques. All in all it sounds pretty even. With no gloves and a gi id go for karate/judo and with gloves and shirtless (like modern mma) id go for boxing/wrestling. If the fighter only has a little practice, id say boxing/wrestling because its more conventional/basic/instinctual/easy-to-learn, etc. But i think were assuming the fighters are very well versed in there arts, so this shouldnt be an issue. Because boxing/wrestling is more conventional then karate/judo, id say that in most 1v1, no-rule, competion scenarios the boxer/wrestler techniques will be more efficient, but a karate/judo guys intricate techniques may allow him to pull a fast one in more select scenarios. (If the boxer extends too much, the karate guy may achieve an incompacitating blow if settup right, and with a hard floor, a judo guy may do the same with a good arial throw.) Like i said, it sounds pretty even and i think boxing/wrestling is more solid, but karate/judo provides a quicker means to take someone out immediately if the situation is right. Also remember, boxing is meant to be practiced with gloves and karate is meant to without. And judo is meant to be practiced with a gi and wrestling without. Also, boxers never win full-contact karate tournaments and karate guys never when boxing matches. Same for judo and wrestling respectively. Anyway, im generalizing, but u should get the point: It really depends on the exact scenario.
    Does my analysis seem acurate?
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