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  1. BigPopp is offline

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    So you're attacking an analogy I didn't even start instead of even attempting to make a retort to my core arguments. Awesome.

    You must be Cung Le, because those are some mad cherrypicking skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    Sorry, I have to agree with Oldman bigpoop. I know what you are trying to say but you failed miserably.

    I do think Cung Le is dodging a real MMA fight. Thing is, in his ruleset, he is a badass champion. End of story.

    What you are doing is saying Mike Tyson sucks because he didn't hop into the ring with Royce Gracie under UFC rules.

    That's bullshit. Tyson was a badass for years in his rule set. Gracie was a badass for years in his rule set.

    So, the fact Royce didn't fight Tyson in boxing detracts from his legacy?
    IIF is using disparte fighting style to contrast his point. He even agrees with your point that Le is dodging.
    and a PRE-EDIT from BiggPopp
    Originally Posted by BigPopp
    The difference between Tyson and Cung Le is that Tyson's pro fights were all against skilled boxers under boxing rules. All of Cung Le's K-1 fights were against total bums who usually hadn't even fought under San Shou rules before. He'd have been better off fighting Mary Lou Retton and Lance Armstrong. They have the same amount of San Shou expirence as his opponents, and have a lot more name recognition.

    I'm not saying Cung Le is ducking a MMA fight or that his legacy is tarnished by not instantly fighting Fedor. I'm saying what is the truth. This is a man who was a world champion at San Shou, and then proceeds to fight 17 straight journeymen, rookies and old men. He didn't fight a single legit title contender, and any skilled fighters he went up against had never fought under his rules before. The guy is no doubt good at San Shou, but he's apparently not very good at matchmaking.

    I have no idea why people hug this guy's nuts so hard.


    Also, don't pull this "OMG HE DIDN'T CHOSE HIS OPPONENTS LOLOLOL" bullshit. The fighter has more choice as to who he fights than you think, and if his promoter isn't giving him real fights, it's his obligation to leave, not have 17 straight fights with that promoter against complete bums and then claim to be a HOUSEHOULD NAME IN FIGHTING!
    You are the fucking cherry-picker. You conciously took out the word SKILLED in order to try and bolster your sentiment.

    I am merely stating that your timeline of 17 fights making one guy legitimate and another a bum is wrong.

    Tyson DIDN'T fight skilled fighters for quite some time and argueably any time he did, he lost.
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    At least all of Tyson's opponents had competed under boxing rules before, unlike Cung Le's.

    Also, it's a wee bit insulting to call Tyson's opponents unskilled. They were professional boxers, after all. Before you turn this around on me, I will admit Cung Le fought skilled fighters, he just did it under rules that said skilled fighters had never competed in.

    Seriously, though, untill you get an argument that isn't based wholly around semantics, I'll just ignore you.
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    Cung Le fought who he was told to fight by his managers.

    Tyson did the same. Neither one really wants to step outside of their respective fields because why ruin a good thing?
    If I am a world champion boxer, then why would I want to embarass myself and lower my crowd draw by having my ass handed to me in a MMA match?

    Tyson still gets $250,000 a pop when he fights, even in exhibiton stuff (mostly what he does now) He wont get near that much from the UFC.

    BigPopp, you have your opinion and we have ours. Its just that 99% of the world disagress with you.

    Tell you what.....list all of Cungs' fights here and then highlight the ones you fell were easy matches ok? Then we can take a fight by fight look at his opponents.

    Hows that?

    Lets start another thread for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPopp
    At least all of Tyson's opponents had competed under boxing rules before, unlike Cung Le's.

    Also, it's a wee bit insulting to call Tyson's opponents unskilled. They were professional boxers, after all. Before you turn this around on me, I will admit Cung Le fought skilled fighters, he just did it under rules that said skilled fighters had never competed in.

    Seriously, though, untill you get an argument that isn't based wholly around semantics, I'll just ignore you.
    I highlighted the semantics in your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman34
    Cung Le fought who he was told to fight by his managers.

    Tyson did the same. Neither one really wants to step outside of their respective fields because why ruin a good thing?
    If I am a world champion boxer, then why would I want to embarass myself and lower my crowd draw by having my ass handed to me in a MMA match?

    Tyson still gets $250,000 a pop when he fights, even in exhibiton stuff (mostly what he does now) He wont get near that much from the UFC.

    BigPopp, you have your opinion and we have ours. Its just that 99% of the world disagress with you.

    Tell you what.....list all of Cungs' fights here and then highlight the ones you fell were easy matches ok? Then we can take a fight by fight look at his opponents.

    Hows that?

    Lets start another thread for it.
    And it's Cung Le's fault for staying with these managers who are refusing to get him real fights. His staying for 17 fights with these guys says that he doesn't mind the constant cherrypicking and apparently has no desire to fight real competition.

    As for the rest of your post, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Why would Tyson compete in the UFC? He's a boxer.

    As for Cung Le's record, it's not on the K-1 website anymore, however I know for a fact that this world champion fought against Hank Petit, a man who had never once had a single San Shou fight before. That's really becoming of a world san shou champion and a HOUSEHOLD NAME IN FIGHTING there!

    I have no idea why everyone desperatley clings Cung Le's nuts like their life depends on it. Does his stupid haircut give him +50 to charisma or something?
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    So if Hank Petit had won, would he have become the World San Shou Champion?
    By your logic , no he really wouldnt be because he onloy fought one guy under those rules.

    Rulesets dont matter. It isnt Cung Le's fault that people chose to fight him under an unfamiliar ruleset. If those same people had beaten him, the we wouldnt even be having this discussion.

    None of those people were dopes who had just stepped into a ring for the first time. They TRAINED for that fight. Therefore they should have been well versed in the ruleset BEFORE the fight.

    Cung Le must have raped your mom or something. You have a real hate for the guy dont you.

    Let it go, seek therapy, hang yourself from atall tree in the rain, anything...just let it go.

    You are wrong and no amount of you saying "thay didunt no how 2 feyeght en da roolset" is going to change that.

    Sorry.
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    it's death wish: sanda edition

    seriously, it's charles bronson!
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    To be honest its all marketing, any good manager who has a fighter with some flare is gonna put him against bums. He gets more popular and the money rolls in, then eventually when the hype starts to die down they will start setting him up with "tough" opponents. When he wins against a couple of them they will proclaim him worlds greatest.

    This reminds me of Prince naseem, but he was awesome to watch.
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