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  1. LI GUY 1 is offline
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    What????

    Anyways, I go with HanktheTank. A juiced guy who gains muscle rapidly won't have his bodyconditioned to keep the muscles going. Now if the same guy starts conditioning work after his cycle I'm sure he will be fine. More muscle does not automatically mean gas out.

    However I'm sure there comes a point where gaining more muscle has diminishing returns and a fighter might be better off training other areas. Same goes for overtraining any quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wado kai karate
    its true the bigger you are the faster you will gas....so thats why those short martial artests are so damn fast, they dont have to worry as much ... if at all about gassing out.
    see the two posts before your and the one after ;)


    NoMan, LI, after I typed mine and logged off, I forgot to add the following caveat (which you guys have mentioned as well):

    If a fighter blows himself up in excess of what his body can naturally support, he'll gas. He'll be a blown up fighter.

    The mistake people do is to assume a muscular person is a blown up fighter, rather than being muscular due to genetics as well as a strenght-training program including in his MA training (like many wrestlers do.) To assume otherwise is a very dangerous mistake to make if that's part of your game plan against someone that looks "beefy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    The mistake people do is to assume a muscular person is a blown up fighter, rather than being muscular due to genetics as well as a strenght-training program including in his MA training (like many wrestlers do.)
    Macho has his usual correct. If anyone needs an anecdote to support this, please have a look at one of my personal heroes, Alexander Karelin (6'3", 290 lbs):



    ... and then go looking for evidence that he had any problems with his power endurance conditioning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrusher
    Macho has his usual correct. If anyone needs an anecdote to support this, please have a look at one of my personal heroes, Alexander Karelin (6'3", 290 lbs):



    ... and then go looking for evidence that he had any problems with his power endurance conditioning.
    meh... I could take him.
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    There is a guy in my MMA class who is ripped.
    I gas way before he does and I am a lot smaller than he is.
    I also run on a regular basis, and he does little cardio.
    I think this is because (just like Teh El Macho stated) he is specifically adapted to the imposed demands of MMA. He has been training a lot longer than I have.
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    Muscular guys gassing is more of a tendency than a rule, I think.

    Kinda like "muscular guys aren't flexible."
    And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

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    I would say smaller guys should be able to obtain better endurance. Of course that's based on no conclusive evidence whatsoever, so feel free to add "talking out my arse" to the start of the paragraph.

    But look at the lightweight UFC division, it's like watching lizards scrapping, constantly high paced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    see the two posts before your and the one after ;)
    ignore him. he's either a moron or a troll.
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    common misconception that has risen out of compititors training only a certain (usually self precribed) strength facet, eg, max strength training being emphasised over all other general physical peraredness, Like macho said the blown up fighter.
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    This is kind of tangent to the muscular/gassing, but was it Glutamine that helps with endurance, or simply with recovery time? I'm really looking into that so that my recovery speeds up, but I wouldn't mind a boost while working. (note: Noxplode was what TEM used for that right?)

    I'm 6'2 225, and I tend to gas at about 45 minutes to an hour of continuous sparring (striking only, light/medium contact). But we usually go to an hour and 15 or 20... This is one night per week.

    This seems to be more muscle endurance than cardio? While my heartrate is going good, it's not excessive and breathing is pretty normal. I simply find my legs to be about 200 pounds instead of the usual 70 after kicking for an hour. While I'm assuming there isn't any miracle method to keeping energy, I wouldn't mind suggestions for endurance. (Ps. Total Gym gets here Wednesday so that might help).
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