Thread: Being muscular makes you gas?
10/05/2007 2:16am, #11
Anyways, I go with HanktheTank. A juiced guy who gains muscle rapidly won't have his bodyconditioned to keep the muscles going. Now if the same guy starts conditioning work after his cycle I'm sure he will be fine. More muscle does not automatically mean gas out.
However I'm sure there comes a point where gaining more muscle has diminishing returns and a fighter might be better off training other areas. Same goes for overtraining any quality.
10/05/2007 7:33am, #12
Originally Posted by wado kai karate
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NoMan, LI, after I typed mine and logged off, I forgot to add the following caveat (which you guys have mentioned as well):
If a fighter blows himself up in excess of what his body can naturally support, he'll gas. He'll be a blown up fighter.
The mistake people do is to assume a muscular person is a blown up fighter, rather than being muscular due to genetics as well as a strenght-training program including in his MA training (like many wrestlers do.) To assume otherwise is a very dangerous mistake to make if that's part of your game plan against someone that looks "beefy".Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.
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10/05/2007 8:22am, #13Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
... and then go looking for evidence that he had any problems with his power endurance conditioning.
10/05/2007 9:13am, #14Originally Posted by jackrusher
10/05/2007 9:20am, #15
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There is a guy in my MMA class who is ripped.
I gas way before he does and I am a lot smaller than he is.
I also run on a regular basis, and he does little cardio.
I think this is because (just like Teh El Macho stated) he is specifically adapted to the imposed demands of MMA. He has been training a lot longer than I have.
10/05/2007 9:33am, #16
Muscular guys gassing is more of a tendency than a rule, I think.
Kinda like "muscular guys aren't flexible."And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".
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10/05/2007 9:40am, #17
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I would say smaller guys should be able to obtain better endurance. Of course that's based on no conclusive evidence whatsoever, so feel free to add "talking out my arse" to the start of the paragraph.
But look at the lightweight UFC division, it's like watching lizards scrapping, constantly high paced.
10/05/2007 9:46am, #18Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
10/07/2007 9:48am, #19
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common misconception that has risen out of compititors training only a certain (usually self precribed) strength facet, eg, max strength training being emphasised over all other general physical peraredness, Like macho said the blown up fighter.
10/07/2007 12:50pm, #20
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This is kind of tangent to the muscular/gassing, but was it Glutamine that helps with endurance, or simply with recovery time? I'm really looking into that so that my recovery speeds up, but I wouldn't mind a boost while working. (note: Noxplode was what TEM used for that right?)
I'm 6'2 225, and I tend to gas at about 45 minutes to an hour of continuous sparring (striking only, light/medium contact). But we usually go to an hour and 15 or 20... This is one night per week.
This seems to be more muscle endurance than cardio? While my heartrate is going good, it's not excessive and breathing is pretty normal. I simply find my legs to be about 200 pounds instead of the usual 70 after kicking for an hour. While I'm assuming there isn't any miracle method to keeping energy, I wouldn't mind suggestions for endurance. (Ps. Total Gym gets here Wednesday so that might help).