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  1. DdlR is offline
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    Try running a Google search. There has been some academically sound discussion on this subject on various forums, along with a lot of more-or-less wild-eyed speculation and outright fantasy/fraud.

    The existence of NA wrestling sports is pretty well documented and it's very likely that various tribes did develop close-combat weapon skills to a high level, but records seem to be very sparse as to how they went about it (training, etc.) The consensus seems to be that NA cultures probably didn't support the highly codified or ritualized type of training that you see in many Asian and European cultures. Training was more likely something that was integrated into daily life, starting out with sparring games etc. as kids, gradually refining combat skills over years of informal practice.

    If these skills have survived to the present day, they've been kept very well hidden.
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     New York MMA Examiner Style: magic FUCKING powers!

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    I can't be the only one who thought of this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxMz2JFIPjA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chizilds
    *brings beer and grabs another recliner*

    *shares Beer*
    Stop that. This is not gaiaonline or furtopia.


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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    Try running a Google search. There has been some academically sound discussion on this subject on various forums, along with a lot of more-or-less wild-eyed speculation and outright fantasy/fraud.

    The existence of NA wrestling sports is pretty well documented and it's very likely that various tribes did develop close-combat weapon skills to a high level, but records seem to be very sparse as to how they went about it (training, etc.) The consensus seems to be that NA cultures probably didn't support the highly codified or ritualized type of training that you see in many Asian and European cultures. Training was more likely something that was integrated into daily life, starting out with sparring games etc. as kids, gradually refining combat skills over years of informal practice.

    If these skills have survived to the present day, they've been kept very well hidden.


    thanks, did and i actaully came across something that said teh Cherokee had a body conditioning practice...sounded like Iron vest or whtev. How reliable is it? not sure, but a good read.
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    Posted On:
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    Apparently they originated the Animality

  7. calmman7 is offline

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    I think Native americans had a system for teaching its younger folks on how to fight, hunt, be a man within the tribe. I had thought wrestling was part of some tribes. I doubt there is anyone or at least more than a few that would have that much knowledge. Everything I have read leads me to believe some of the Native American tribes developed with the times, buying guns, modifiying those guns to be better suited for shooting from horse. The History channel had something on the tech of the old west which included modifications some Native American tribes put in place for guns and their mobility.

    Back to your question, sorry I do not know anyone. I had a friend that disappeared a few years ago (JD Clark III) that had some knowledge but what he learned was mixed with other stuff.
    OK, shutting up now
    Edit, I didn't say anything remotely entertaining. So T-Hawk from Street Fighter rocked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey Triangles
    Apparently they originated the Animality
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    Posted On:
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    According to one Indian guy I knew (can't remember the tribe) they wrestled, but it was more learn-by-doing than it was a traditional taught skill.

    According to legend, that's how Indians earned the gift of maize (corn). A brave wrestled with a god for three days and three nights before pinning him, and was given the gift to help his tribe through a famine.
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