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  1. Tangent is offline

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    Does Shaolin Kung Fu Exist?

    I've seen a few posts in other forums about Shaolin Kung Fu not really "existing" - usually this was spoken of in the sense that the entire "common knowledge" history of Shaolin Kung Fu is false.

    I know that some of these people are probably trolling, but I'm truly interested in the actual history of the Shaolin Temple and it's art.

    Can anyone clarify for me what they're talking about? Am I not asking a specific enough question?
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    Posted On:
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    Actually, they aren't really trolling.

    There are so many conflicting stories it is hard to tell what is true and what is false.
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    Posted On:
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    Here read these you'll see why.

    http://www.shaolin.com.au/history.htm
    http://gochina.about.com/od/zhengzho...in_History.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaolin_Temple

    Now, there is a guy who researches on Kung Fu Forum online that had found books saying the Temple was first a military instillation.

    I'll see if I can find the thread.
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    10/03/2007 1:31pm


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    Shaolin is much like TKD being 2000 years old.
    IE. Taken with a grain of national bs ;p.

    Links are above though,.
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    10/03/2007 1:41pm


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    Now from what I understand shaolin does have two different groups. One that does kung fu for demos and travel and such and the other is the actual warrior monks that learn it for fighting.

    Now when the temple was burned it did loose alot of their information in regards to different styles, so I figure when they started to rebuild they got together and tried to fill in the blanks (for lack of a better term).

    I would say that their is probably true shaolin out there but will we ever see it ..I doubt it just all the pretenders. Plus it would be to deadly for our eyes and they would melt in our heads.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtkarate
    Now from what I understand shaolin does have two different groups. One that does kung fu for demos and travel and such and the other is the actual warrior monks that learn it for fighting.

    Now when the temple was burned it did loose alot of their information in regards to different styles, so I figure when they started to rebuild they got together and tried to fill in the blanks (for lack of a better term).

    I would say that their is probably true shaolin out there but will we ever see it ..I doubt it just all the pretenders. Plus it would be to deadly for our eyes and they would melt in our heads.
    This is exactly what I was trying to avoid. Can you prove any of this? No.
    It is what you heard. Not saying you are wrong just saying this is one of at least 100 different variations.

    Shaolin is piecemeal.
    Monks hid and taught out the real shaolin.
    There were layman monks that ate meat, fought, and were married.
    That it was a rebel location whose front was a monastery.
    There was no fighting by the monks it was actually the rebels who trained not the monks.



    You guys want me to keep going? These are thing I have read in articles, books and seen in documentaries.
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    Part of the confusion comes from schools that set themselves up near the site of the temple to get students.
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    Actually, not really. That was a more current phenomenon when they rebuilt the burnt down temple.
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    Posted On:
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    Pardon me while I wax philosophically for a moment. If we think about the Shaolin Temple in terms of "what is" rather than "what should be" or "what was" we can only conclude that it is a cynical tourist attraction sponsored by a totalitarian police state and about as historically authentic as a trip to the old time picture booth at Knott's Berry Farm.

    Think of the temple as China's version of "Camelot" and Shaolin Monks as the "Knights of the Round Table." Both may have existed. But what really went down is so muddied by unsubstaniated historical records, legend, movies, and the wishful thinking of credulous fanboys that you could go nuts trying to sort it all out.
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    Posted On:
    10/03/2007 3:44pm

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    Some "Shaolin monks" (there's a ton of schools around the Shaolin temple that claim to do the same stuff) did a demo at my kwoon because we did a lion dance for the opening of some big fancy show they were doing in San Diego. It was kind of cool, but it looked a hell of a lot like wushu.
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