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    There are lots of people that have watched UFC and took some BJJ or something and think that they are UFC-fighters now. There are also people that do some TMA and they have obvious watched some UFC and added some crappling into their style. They don't do sparring and if they do it's so light it's practically useless. They don't learn (and most likely don't even know) eg. how to control the opponent with your hip while keeping him in guard. I guess they just believe that they can fight as well as any UFC fighter, so they don't need to prove anything. I on the other hand, would really enjoy seeing some Dim Sum-fighter entering the ring/cage and getting his ass kicked Bullock-style.

    There have been some movies about MMA lately and most of them what I have seen are pretty crappy(especially from the fighting view). But somehow I doubt that an average Joe would watch one of these movies and decide to open MMA school. At least it wouldn't stand for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pnwnorseman
    It seems that the kung fu/kung fu movie craze of the late 60s/early 70s was a big contributor to the watering down of TMA in american. Too many students, Not enough real masters and schools, And more than likely an overabundance of dickheads wanting to make a buck by swindling the unsuspecting masses. So as UFC and other full contact fighting sports come into prominance on american TV does anyone fear that grappling styles especially BJJ could suffer from the same fate as karate/kung fu? It seems both likely and unlikely since the training includes hard sparring and aliveness that this would hapen, but at one point kung fu and karate included training like this too even Aikido!!!. I was just curious about this since I was watching a comedian and one of his bits was about UFC and how other ring sports like boxing and wrestling are just unwatchable now because UFC type fights just offer the crowd more of what they want. Seems to make sense from a base line logical standpoint. Also I only bring up BJJ as an example because it is probably the most widely popularized grappling stlye in the USA...Thanks Gracies. Also any assertions of cause/effect between the kung fu movies and "downfall" of TMA is purely speculation. Its just what I have observed.
    Swimming, sprinting, and Boxing would all follow this example if such was the case.

    Luckily, as others have said, need for competition to drive you forward directly translates into life in the sport.
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    I have to agree with the "competition breeds more than mediocrity" group. One thing I've learned, and very quickly, is that you either put up or shut up in these sports. You can go for years in TMA without any real challenges. If your instructor hates tournaments, and you don't do much alive drilling, well, that's that, you get your belt and move on.

    As a general rule of thumb, you can't get away with that in wrestling, boxing, judo, bjj, etc. You roll constantly, and if you don't roll, you don't advance. Yes, there seem to be a few instances of mcdojoism in bjj, but bjj.org and other organizations which keep track of belt rankings helps keep things from getting too out of hand, and if your school consistently loses at tourneys, that will raise some eyebrows.

    MMA and grappling may end up with a lot of armchair quarterbacks, but that =/= mcdojoism or the kung fu craze of the 70's...
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    Having had a chance to read other replies and to think about it a little I will stand by my no. Grappling as a whole will not deteriorate. There will be too many programs focused on competition for that to happen. However, I think you may see some people take advantage of the attention BJJ has earned to open both McDojo and even bullshido offshoots to the art. The bullshido schools will never compete and slowly slid into realm of compliant training much like Aikido. Some of the McDojos will go the same direction while others will remain competitive while soaking their students for as much money as possible. I have read that several high school wrestling programs are running off season BJJ training, for both wrestlers and non-wrestling students, as a means of off season conditioning, skill improvement and to recruit new wrestlers. Who knows, maybe BJJ or some other type of submission grappling may become a scholastic sport. That would be cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pnwnorseman
    It seems that the kung fu/kung fu movie craze of the late 60s/early 70s was a big contributor to the watering down of TMA in american. Too many students, Not enough real masters and schools, And more than likely an overabundance of dickheads wanting to make a buck by swindling the unsuspecting masses. So as UFC and other full contact fighting sports come into prominance on american TV does anyone fear that grappling styles especially BJJ could suffer from the same fate as karate/kung fu? It seems both likely and unlikely since the training includes hard sparring and aliveness that this would hapen, but at one point kung fu and karate included training like this too even Aikido!!!. I was just curious about this since I was watching a comedian and one of his bits was about UFC and how other ring sports like boxing and wrestling are just unwatchable now because UFC type fights just offer the crowd more of what they want. Seems to make sense from a base line logical standpoint. Also I only bring up BJJ as an example because it is probably the most widely popularized grappling stlye in the USA...Thanks Gracies. Also any assertions of cause/effect between the kung fu movies and "downfall" of TMA is purely speculation. Its just what I have observed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M1K3
    Having had a chance to read other replies and to think about it a little I will stand by my no. Grappling as a whole will not deteriorate. There will be too many programs focused on competition for that to happen. However, I think you may see some people take advantage of the attention BJJ has earned to open both McDojo and even bullshido offshoots to the art. The bullshido schools will never compete and slowly slid into realm of compliant training much like Aikido. Some of the McDojos will go the same direction while others will remain competitive while soaking their students for as much money as possible. I have read that several high school wrestling programs are running off season BJJ training, for both wrestlers and non-wrestling students, as a means of off season conditioning, skill improvement and to recruit new wrestlers. Who knows, maybe BJJ or some other type of submission grappling may become a scholastic sport. That would be cool.
    I just hope I never find myself saying "but that's not the real bjj..." on this forum.
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    It will. Pretty soon, Billy Blanks will be putting out a bunch of videos called Tae-BJJ.

    And I say that because humanity sucks, and He Who Has the Gold Makes the Rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jkdbuck76
    It will. Pretty soon, Billy Blanks will be putting out a bunch of videos called Tae-BJJ.

    And I say that because humanity sucks, and He Who Has the Gold Makes the Rules.
    If there is a proffit motive, it will go sour.
    Wow, no touch chokes, that will be sooooo cool. :lol:
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    but that's not the real bjj...


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