Could you elaborate on this?
Originally Posted by Homersmyid
I seem to just be digging a bigger hole for myself....
What I meant to say is that bjj is the favored art of the 11 year old internet troll, who hasn't taken a day of training. I just had the bad luck of having discussions interrupted with "Bruce Lee was crap, anyone with 1 week of BJJ training would destroy him" or "hows a gun going to help you if I use my BJJ on you, sure you might shot me, but that's not instantly fatal, so then I'd rip you arms and legs off". That's over the top, but I think you know the type.
Ok, now I understand where you are coming from. Please keep in mind, however, that the sentence highlighted above does not constitute bullshido IN bjj. It means people posing and LARPing on what's fad nowadays.
Originally Posted by Homersmyid
When the "Karate Kid" disgracefully came to the big screen, hordes of teentards where larping the deadly krotty. When Seagal came to the big screen, then it was Aikido. Remember Rocky VI and how, all of the sudden, everybody knew how to box? Then came Ong Bak and now you get tards discussing on the net, or worse, in real life, how deadly Muay Boran has turned them.
Now you got the UFC, and everybody shaves their head a-la Chuck Liddell while wearing a tapout short (or g-string, whichever tickels their pickle.) This is just nature of young kids (or not so young kids) who latch onto the latest badass fad, trying to pass themselves as alpha males in their imaginary wolf packs.
When people say "bullshido IN x art/discipline", it means there are bullshit technices and practices that are inherent of the aforementioned art or discipline.
When people LARP an art, that's understandable. When they LARP and pretend to be something they are not (or pretend to be capable of doing something they can't), that's bullshit in its own right, but that's not necessarily an implication that the art being LARPed is bullshido.
We are strong in semantics, and the bs.net hive mind is unforgiving ;)
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The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
There may be a lot of people who are full of **** but one of the things that seperate bullshit martial arts from the rest is how they train. If a person bases his martial art experience on compliant training, his experience can't compare to someone who trains with full resistance. BJJ, as well as other some other martial arts, practice with full resistance. This training teaches them what to do to counter a fully resistant opponent. I think the bullshit comes in when someone claims there fighting skills are superior when they have never trained in anything but a compliant manner.
I don't really see how some ass-tard highschool kid who doesn't train yet nutrides BJJ has anything to do with BJJ itself. The difference is that many of the people that talk bollocks about how deadly karate, kungfu and aikido are actually train or teach it themselves.
I've never heard a BJJer say that he can beat any karate guy or any aikido guy. Of course, we all know that we can, but we just don't say it.
Originally Posted by tom.f
i have a problem with the term FULL RESISTANCE... that to me implies something akin to a death match (lol) with no rules and any kind of technique applied to brutal extreme... which i am sure you do not mean... even Matt Thornton advocates PROGRESSIVE resistance, and that it is not necessary to go balls to the wall very often... a better term than FULL might be REALISTIC... but overall i agree with your sentiment...
dont forget to mention the latest sexy mma terms.
Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
To be clear, I should not have implied that training in death matches was needed. That was not my intention. Realistic training to me has meant Judo randori and grappling, where the opponent does not intentionally make your application of any given technique sucessful. The few times I have had the opurtunity to roll with any BJJ people, my impression was that their intention was to go for the sub. while allowing me to live.
Originally Posted by AikiZenDragon
yeah i got that Tom, just trying to keep the language a bit clear...
Originally Posted by datdamnmachine
Actually, I don't think I've ever heard it put clearer than that. I'd +1 rep if I cared about such things enough to find out how.
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