Wing Chun? hard style. Wing Tsun? softer than Aikido. Flipside? practically limp.

**Kintanon** · Posted On: 10/11/2007 1:27pm

Originally Posted by Kamon Guy

In Kamon we do feeding techniques, where a person will attack and we will beat the crap out of them. This for me is not sparring and I don't ever keep it in the same category. Sparring should be about judging distances, moving with opponents etc. In wing chun we get in there and stay there.

And yes I have sparred in boxing, BJJ, karate, CKD and escrima.

Yeah, and if you "Get in there and stay" with a guy who is capable of slamming you and choking you unconcious in sparring, he's just going to do it again and not let go of the choke this time. I ask you again, WHAT evidence leads you to believe that you are capable of performing any of these techniques against someone in a live situation?
If you claim that Wing Chun is no good for sparring, when you sparred against those other arts did you get the holy hell beat out of you? If not, are you recanting your statement and saying Wing Chun DOES work in sparring? Or are you going to try to tell me that you sparred each of those arts using their own art?

Sparring is about pressure testing your techniques. "Does this work if my opponent REALLY doesn't want it to work?". Get that through your head.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 10/11/2007 1:28pm

Originally Posted by Kamon Guy

There is no choreograpphy when Kevin Chan does fighting demos. He just says 'come at me with anything' and we do. We could go in with a flying kick, but we try and keep it a bit sensible

There is no 'you hit me with that hand' etc. Anything goes

It is a Demo. We watched the Demo you posted earlier. It is not a fight it is a Demo.

**Kamon Guy** · Posted On: 10/11/2007 1:29pm

Originally Posted by Tom Kagan

But not in Wing Chun, right?

Two chunners from other schools tried to spar with me and I just laughed at them because it was a pile of crap. I ended up shutting them down and submitting them.
This was the only time I have 'sparred' using wing chun

The guy who posted a vid in the other thread claimed to spar and it was more like watching two guys dancing

**Kamon Guy** · Posted On: 10/11/2007 1:30pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

It is a Demo. We watched the Demo you posted earlier. It is not a fight it is a Demo.

That video was a demo, yes. The demos that Kevin Chan does are more fight orientated (rather than fixed drills)

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 10/11/2007 1:32pm

Originally Posted by Kamon Guy

That video was a demo, yes. The demos that Kevin Chan does are more fight orientated (rather than fixed drills)

It is a Demo. Fight oriented my ass it is a Demo. You just admitted there is no intent.

**Tom Kagan** · Posted On: 10/11/2007 1:34pm

Originally Posted by Kamon Guy

I never said I was an advocate. I enjoy it but it still has many flaws. Especially traditional wing chun which is very flat footed

Obviously, you are an advocate, but never mind that. Did you just say to TWC that 'Your Martial Art Sucks'?

**Kamon Guy** · Posted On: 10/11/2007 1:36pm

Originally Posted by Kintanon

Yeah, and if you "Get in there and stay" with a guy who is capable of slamming you and choking you unconcious in sparring, he's just going to do it again and not let go of the choke this time. I ask you again, WHAT evidence leads you to believe that you are capable of performing any of these techniques against someone in a live situation? .

Maybe because I have used it in confrontations and won?
The person in feedin techniques fights back. To start with he is just feeding punches in, getting people used to defending punches, then as you go up the levels, the techniques are more intense, the partner resists and fights back if he is able

Originally Posted by Kintanon

If you claim that Wing Chun is no good for sparring, when you sparred against those other arts did you get the holy hell beat out of you? If not, are you recanting your statement and saying Wing Chun DOES work in sparring? Or are you going to try to tell me that you sparred each of those arts using their own art? .

Originally Posted by Kintanon

Sparring is about pressure testing your techniques. "Does this work if my opponent REALLY doesn't want it to work?". Get that through your head.

When I spar with other arts, yes I am using those arts. And yes, most of the time I get beaten the crap out of. That is why I am not an instructor at BJJ or boxing!! If I train wing chun against a boxer, I do not really call it a spar.
Pressure testing techniques is not a spar.

**Kamon Guy** · Posted On: 10/11/2007 1:38pm

Originally Posted by Tom Kagan

Obviously, you are an advocate, but never mind that. Did you just say to TWC that 'Your Martial Art Sucks'?

What is TWC?
Is that Traditional Wing Chun?
I don't recall saying anything sucked. I certainly don't think many traditional wing chun people are good fighters. Bruce Lee found this when he went to America - that his wing chun was too fixed and not flexible enough

**Kintanon** · Posted On: 10/11/2007 1:40pm

You clearly have a different definition of Sparring than reasonable sane people do.

Now, what is the purpose of trying to use techniques you aren't trained in when working against someone who IS trained in those techniques? Wouldn't it make a LOT more sense to use the techniques you ARE trained in to see how they work against the training of other people?

And if you believe that sparring is not for pressure testing your technique then where/when DO you pressure test your technique?