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  1. ShrekBJJ is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/01/2007 6:54am


     Style: BJJ/MMA

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Can October be Wing Tsjun or Wing Tsun Sucks Month?

    Gotta love those secret techniques. Seriously what's the deal with them? I can understand how a lesser seen and known technique might help you against someone else who knows your style but how is a "secret" technique gonna help agianst someone who doesn't your system so it's all new to him?

    What is October going to be anyway?
  2. TheBigSwede is offline

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     Style: Judo + sports ju-jutsu

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    Teh deadly wing fun
  3. ShrekBJJ is offline

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    Posted On:
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     Style: BJJ/MMA

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    I just got the _ing __un thing.

    Sorry
  4. Flipside is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/02/2007 2:29pm

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     Style: Wing Tsjun/Eskrima/Aikido

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You all take yourself way to serious and seem to have overall high testosteron levels. I stumbled upon the thread and replied as objective and neutral as possible, and indeed gorgot to check the date. I didn't even mentioned the anti-grapple and the deadly finger pokes, throat strikes and low kicks.
    With refinements of the technics, I meant that in the wing tsun of Keith Kernspecht some movements are simplified thus becoming less effective.
    As for who I am: I am 24, live in belgium, Ghent and I train Wing Tsjun, Eskrima and Aikido. I am a sculptor for a living. I take private lessons Wing Tsjun from Paul Vandevelde, under Thommy Boehlig. Some fragments of the wing tsjun demo can be found on youtube (chi sao).
  5. It is Fake is offline
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipside
    You all take yourself way to serious and seem to have overall high testosteron levels. I stumbled upon the thread and replied as objective and neutral as possible, and indeed gorgot to check the date. I didn't even mentioned the anti-grapple and the deadly finger pokes, throat strikes and low kicks.
    With refinements of the technics, I meant that in the wing tsun of Keith Kernspecht some movements are simplified thus becoming less effective.
    As for who I am: I am 24, live in belgium, Ghent and I train Wing Tsjun, Eskrima and Aikido. I am a sculptor for a living. I take private lessons Wing Tsjun from Paul Vandevelde, under Thommy Boehlig. Some fragments of the wing tsjun demo can be found on youtube (chi sao).
    Oh so you were trying to say you have the real Bing Dun.


    I don't know what a testosteron is but, if it makes you want to chun, I don't want any of it.
  6. Tom Kagan is offline
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipside
    ... some movements are simplified thus becoming less effective.
    So, by inference from the above statement, more complicated movements means more effective.

    Gotcha.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

    "Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken

    My Bullshido fan club threads:
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    Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
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  7. Flipside is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/02/2007 3:00pm

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     Style: Wing Tsjun/Eskrima/Aikido

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    So, by inference from the above statement, more complicated movements means more effective.

    Gotcha.
    No, just different ways depending on the situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    Oh so you were trying to say you have the real Bing Dun.
    Nope


    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    I don't know what a testosteron is but, if it makes you want to chun, I don't want any of it.
    That's the most stupid reply I have ever heard.
    Last edited by Flipside; 10/02/2007 4:04pm at .
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    Posted On:
    10/02/2007 3:18pm


     Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipside
    No, just different ways depending on the situation.
    But that's not what you said. What you said was, "I meant that in the wing tsun of Keith Kernspecht some movements are simplified thus becoming less effective." Which asserts that the more complex movements are thereby more effective. This very well may be the case. Lord knows, if someone simplified a standard punch to the point where nothing but the elbow was providing the mechanism of the attack, it wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as a strike with good hip rotation and proper form.

    However, overly complex maneuvers tend to be terribly ineffective. If your typical shoulder-lock requires eight steps when a similar or equivalent technique in another style requires only three, yours will obviously be the inferior in practical application. There's simply much more that can go wrong in those extra steps, given the unpredictability of a resisting fighter.

    So, are you saying that Keith Kernspecht watered-down techniques which were already efficient, or are you saying that he culled some of the more grandiose maneuvers from his teaching?

    --Joe
  9. Tom .C is offline

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    Join us... or die
     Style: Aikido,Judo

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    That's the most stupid replie I have ever heard.[/quote]

    Just wait, we're just getting started!!!
  10. Flipside is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kung-Fu Joe
    But that's not what you said. What you said was, "I meant that in the wing tsun of Keith Kernspecht some movements are simplified thus becoming less effective." Which asserts that the more complex movements are thereby more effective. This very well may be the case. Lord knows, if someone simplified a standard punch to the point where nothing but the elbow was providing the mechanism of the attack, it wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as a strike with good hip rotation and proper form.

    However, overly complex maneuvers tend to be terribly ineffective. If your typical shoulder-lock requires eight steps when a similar or equivalent technique in another style requires only three, yours will obviously be the inferior in practical application. There's simply much more that can go wrong in those extra steps, given the unpredictability of a resisting fighter.

    So, are you saying that Keith Kernspecht watered-down techniques which were already efficient, or are you saying that he culled some of the more grandiose maneuvers from his teaching?

    --Joe
    An example: in the second form, Kernspecht teaches a three times the same bong, while in that of Allan Fong (also a student of leung ting) we have a bong, a striking bong and a bong coming from below. Depending on the situation you can use the one that fits the most.
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