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    Quote Originally Posted by jaroge
    I guess we'll realise that as soon as we forget how democratic nations fighting for their Democratic Ideology beat National Socialism, Imperial Japan, and Communism...and it wasn't by Baking them muffins. If you haven't a clue as to how to beat enemies you should probably read some books on something called history...fascinating subject.

    Sorry to derail this thread but really, how many times can we repeat that Hughes is a religious whackjob before it gets boring?
    First, please, learn to quote correctly.

    Democracies didn't crush USSR, that country mostly collapsed on its own. Leftist parties in western countries have become more moderate as times change and radicalism went out of fashion after USSR went away. Nobody has beaten socialism or communism. The ideologies are still there, they just aren't as appealing as they used to be and they've lost most of their support, that's what's happened.

    As for Imperial Japan.. That's a country. Fighting a country is fucking easy. That's what mankind has been doing since the dawn of time. The allies beat the Nazies. Kicked their asses royally, tried and hung a big number of their commanders. Still, nazism exists in some form in every western country and elsewhere too. So, Nazis themselves were beaten down, but the ideology still lives.

    Try to do that to an ideology that has a foothold in pretty much every country in the world by now. Flexing your world domination powers and attacking countries with flimsy excuses isn't the way to make people who don't like you to begin with your friends. That kind of actions play into your opponents hands and give them more support than before. So US 1 - 0 Iraq, but US 0 - 10 radical muslims, thanks to the power vacuum you created.

    And it's not just what you do. Israel vs. Lebanon (Hezbollah, really) was won by Israel in the short term. In the long run however they managed to turn pretty much the whole country of Lebanon to side with Hizbollah when previously they were despised by the majority of the population. So more power to Hezbollah, even though they lost against Israel this time.

    Need I really go on? You are talking about killing people. I'm talking about basically killing ideologies by making them irrelevant and unappealing. Killing people does not kill ideologies. Killing people tends to make people angry towards you and give more credibility and power to the guys you are trying to off. Killing people solves problems only if done in a massive scale radical muslims or nazies and all those nice people would want to do. Kill everyone. Pogrom and genocide FTW! (i've heard similar ideas thrown about by fundamentalist christians too. loonies are everywhere, eh?)

    How to make ideologies go out of fashion and effectively kill them? I don't know that. But I know I wasn't talking about being nice to them and having lovely tea parties in where everyone gets to talk about their grudges openly in an encouraging environment. It's got everything to do with propaganda, hard education and so forth. Both gentle and underhanded tactics have to be used, I'm sure.

    EDIT: Let's get back on topic once again. Since Hughes declared himself a queen what do you think, will he fight Serra wearing a tutu, fancy dress or fishnet stockings?
    Last edited by hpr; 9/30/2007 4:24pm at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by feedback
    Everybody is talking about how level headed the fighters seem this season- did you not catch the preview for the next episode, where they watch UFC and go fucking crazy destroying the house?
    I guess alcohol and a house reeking of testosterone makes them try to outdo the previous seasons in stupidity. If they'd be doing a serious show they would provide alcohol to the guys. Since this is a Reality TV show you have to have some drama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpr
    First, please, learn to quote correctly.

    Democracies didn't crush USSR, that country mostly collapsed on its own. Leftist parties in western countries have become more moderate as times change and radicalism went out of fashion after USSR went away. Nobody has beaten socialism or communism. The ideologies are still there, they just aren't as appealing as they used to be and they've lost most of their support, that's what's happened.

    As for Imperial Japan.. That's a country. Fighting a country is fucking easy. That's what mankind has been doing since the dawn of time. The allies beat the Nazies. Kicked their asses royally, tried and hung a big number of their commanders. Still, nazism exists in some form in every western country and elsewhere too. So, Nazis themselves were beaten down, but the ideology still lives.

    Try to do that to an ideology that has a foothold in pretty much every country in the world by now. Flexing your world domination powers and attacking countries with flimsy excuses isn't the way to make people who don't like you to begin with your friends. That kind of actions play into your opponents hands and give them more support than before. So US 1 - 0 Iraq, but US 0 - 10 radical muslims, thanks to the power vacuum you created.

    And it's not just what you do. Israel vs. Lebanon (Hezbollah, really) was won by Israel in the short term. In the long run however they managed to turn pretty much the whole country of Lebanon to side with Hizbollah when previously they were despised by the majority of the population. So more power to Hezbollah, even though they lost against Israel this time.

    Need I really go on? You are talking about killing people. I'm talking about basically killing ideologies by making them irrelevant and unappealing. Killing people does not kill ideologies. Killing people tends to make people angry towards you and give more credibility and power to the guys you are trying to off. Killing people solves problems only if done in a massive scale radical muslims or nazies and all those nice people would want to do. Kill everyone. Pogrom and genocide FTW! (i've heard similar ideas thrown about by fundamentalist christians too. loonies are everywhere, eh?)

    How to make ideologies go out of fashion and effectively kill them? I don't know that. But I know I wasn't talking about being nice to them and having lovely tea parties in where everyone gets to talk about their grudges openly in an encouraging environment. It's got everything to do with propaganda, hard education and so forth. Both gentle and underhanded tactics have to be used, I'm sure.

    EDIT: Let's get back on topic once again. Since Hughes declared himself a queen what do you think, will he fight Serra wearing a tutu, fancy dress or fishnet stockings?


    I'd love to tear into that post right now, but this clearly isn't the thread.
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