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  1. Teh El Macho is offline
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    Sumo Deadlifts High Pulls (SDHPs)

    I like power cleans, but from time to time my right wrist can't take it - I'm sure it's bad technique, but then again, some it hurts just by brushing my teeth. I've found sumo deadlifts into high pulls to be a good alternative.

    It gets your blood going, that's for sure. It's not as explosive as cleans (and certainly not as technical), but it's a good compromise. The exercise is easier than cleans for a n00b.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6UujQTJ09w

    And this is an explanation of the lift by Crossfit:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq_aiYLzgk8

    This is a nice combo of SD high pulls followed by push jerks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmzaxY88RoU

    Enjoy... and comment if possible :)

    ps... my only caveat is that high pulls can put a lot of stress in your forearm flexors. If you overtrain and/or don't warm up nor stretch, you can end up getting a case of lateral epicondylitis (tenis elbow - pain on the outside of the elbow), back of the forearm or wrist. It may make thing worse if you are already suffering from carpal tunnel. Trust me when I say this. I've been there, and it's not funny.

    So enjoy and be safe.
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    CrossFit seems like Matt Thornton in its non stop talking and talking about stuff. It's all good I suppose to get technical but it just seems funny to me.

    Good stuff BTW.
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    So, High Pull = Narrow grip upright row? That's what these looked like to me. Narrow grip deadlifts into an upright row. I think I'll try 'em though. I don't have enough weights at home to deadlift, but this will work some of the same muscles at a lighter weight.
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    Yeah man. To be honest, I cannot watch that crossfit clip past the first 30 secs (and mostly I watched because of the girl doing the exercise.) I'm not sure exactly how technical one can get (I find this lift a million times less tech than a clean.)

    My only word of caution is that it may look easy, but man. First time I tried it, I got a light cramp on my abductors... during the warm up :tongue6:
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    I don't have a lot of experience in crossfit, but I remember we had a trainer who took a medically supervised weight loss client and had them do CrossFit. They collapsed and went to the hospital in an ambulance, the trainer got fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt W.
    So, High Pull = Narrow grip upright row? That's what these looked like to me. Narrow grip deadlifts into an upright row. I think I'll try 'em though. I don't have enough weights at home to deadlift, but this will work some of the same muscles at a lighter weight.
    Yeah, some people call it like that. You should try doing them with resistance bands, too. It's fun and a bitch at the same time. My rule of thumb is to grab enough resistance band, per hand, so that you can do a 3/4 of a full bicep curl, but no more.

    That should be enough resistance to make it a bitch. Or you can use weights and resistance bands combined (ligther weights and ligther resistance with the bands, of course.) If you do them in high numbers and fast, it's like doing burpees. :evil6:

    I want to try them using an ez-bar (to ease my extensors a bit) or with a tricep bar (with hands facing each other.) The later is the hand position that bothers my wrists and elbows the less.
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Quote Originally Posted by feedback
    I don't have a lot of experience in crossfit, but I remember we had a trainer who took a medically supervised weight loss client and had them do CrossFit. They collapsed and went to the hospital in an ambulance, the trainer got fired.
    Crossfit and medically supervised pple trying to lose weight do not combine. That trainer should have been castrated.

    The one concern I have about crossfit is the fascination with high reps using mid/heavy weights. High pulls in such high numbers cannot be good for the forearms on the long run. No way Jose.
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    from http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...95&postcount=5

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    for weak hips, sumo deadlifts with high pulls are a good thing (the first part of the exercise below)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmzaxY88RoU

    However, you do those with a small variation: unlike the guy in the video, you pop your hips forward as the bar travels above your hips. That is, you are using your hips to propel the bar up.

    The guy in the clip does a high pull (mostly an arm and shoulder work), which is fine. But if you include the hips (making it more a hip movement than an arm/shoulder), you'll hit your glutes.

    Best way to think of this (in a pretty ghey way), imagine you have a walnut in the crack of your ass, and that you are cracking it the moment the bar is passing about your hips. You have to contract your glutes strongly AND your your hips forward a few inches (all in one movement).

    Do those in sets of 20, even if you need to pause and resume. You are going to get a mighty cramp in your ass. The closest thing that hits the glutes are lunges (at least for me), and they don't come close since this hits not just the glutes but the entire hips.
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    None of the videos in this thread demonstrate a "high pull". All I see are upright rows. A high pull is an explosive movement much like a clean where you use a triple extension to fire the weight up, like this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzd4lHwbuvQ

    The bar should almost never make it above the pecs, because then you'd either be using not enough weight, or using your arms to lift the weight.
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