Beginner gun?

**notafighter** · Posted On: 10/04/2007 12:14pm

"they will not really prepare you for the second shot"

It was bound to come up. I'm just suprised it took this long. Since recoil is negligible you won't have to work as hard to regain sight picture.

Having said that - Practice is practice - whether its with live ammo, air pistol or just dry-firing. The majority of shooters I have worked with have issues centered around trigger control (ie too much or too little trigger finger, jerking the trigger, thumbing the weapon, heeling the weapon...) including anticipation of recoil. Admittedly, the amount of anticipation goes up in direct proportion to "boom" but to a person, beginners do it regardless of what they are firing until the problem is identified and corrected. I recommend pulling the trigger on any weapon (rifle, handgun, air gun, crossbow, bow and arrow, dry or live fire) that is accurate and allows you to practice marksmanship principles as much as possible. But that's just me.

**oldman34** · Posted On: 10/05/2007 5:17am

Originally Posted by TM

Spend very little time with these training tools as they will not really prepare you for the second shot with the real thing.

I would disagree.

Any training for drawing, gaining proper sight picture, shooting and reholstering is good. It will ingrain the basics in any shooter.

It isnt a replacement for plain old range time, but it is a useful tool for those times whne you cant spend the time/money shooting live ammo.

TM · Posted On: 10/05/2007 11:12am

I disagree. Stuff happens ,so you need an accurate second shot. Nothing but practice with full bore loads is going to give you that.

**notafighter** · Posted On: 10/05/2007 12:49pm

Do you also need a target that simulates a falling/fleeing/ducking assailant?

**SFGOON** · Posted On: 10/05/2007 1:31pm

I disagree with the "second shot" notion, as it's not drastic enough. What is needed is practice emptying the clip. I was taught to fire then hold the trigger back, then gradually release it until the sear came back into position, at which point I fired immediately. I learned to release the trigger faster and faster until I could empty the clip with a fair degree of accuracy.

**oldman34** · Posted On: 10/05/2007 3:23pm

Originally Posted by TM

I disagree. Stuff happens ,so you need an accurate second shot. Nothing but practice with full bore loads is going to give you that.

So you are saying that you take your .45 and roam the streets shooting at people?
By your logic, thats the ONLY way to get better at shooting for SD.

You are one responsible gun owner. Welcome to the NRA.

Actually, good trigger control and body mechanics will give you the "good" second shot you are looking for.
Draw to low ready, gain sight picture, two shots, low ready, assess threat, shoot again if necessary.

**meataxe** · Posted On: 10/05/2007 5:34pm

Meh. So do a little IPSC or IDPA. Big deal.

**oldman34** · Posted On: 10/05/2007 5:37pm

Originally Posted by meataxe

Meh. So do a little IPSC or IDPA. Big deal.

IDPA was fun as hell. I used to do it at Range Master here in Memphis. Wasnt too expensive and I could compete with my stock Glock 27.

However, time and children have stopped my forays into the world of firearms training.

TM · Posted On: 10/09/2007 12:15pm

Originally Posted by SFGOON

I disagree with the "second shot" notion, as it's not drastic enough. What is needed is practice emptying the clip. I was taught to fire then hold the trigger back, then gradually release it until the sear came back into position, at which point I fired immediately. I learned to release the trigger faster and faster until I could empty the clip with a fair degree of accuracy.

Much better.

**Jim_Jude** · Posted On: 10/09/2007 4:09pm

Originally Posted by SFGOON

I disagree with the "second shot" notion, as it's not drastic enough. What is needed is practice emptying the clip. I was taught to fire then hold the trigger back, then gradually release it until the sear came back into position, at which point I fired immediately. I learned to release the trigger faster and faster until I could empty the clip with a fair degree of accuracy.

Remember, this is a Beginner Gun thread, not a Super Sniper or Favorite Machine Gun thread. As a civilian, if you're firing any more than 6 shots, you're in over your head, & probably already are at that. JMO.