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  1. Raitaro is offline

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    9/23/2007 7:40am


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    Judo in the cage?

    Mmkay, so I have another non-professional fight coming up for my gym. One of my friends does Judo and we were thinking on doing a few sessions together but I was wondering it's effectiveness.
    The only throw I've seen which may come in usefull would be "Uchi Mata" (think pre-empting the Muay Thai clinch).
    Thoughts anyone?
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    To bad you weren't in Toronto yesterday we had a seminar here from Karo

    Basically the key is 2 things, adjusting your grip for no gi, a lot of it comes from a greco / thai clinch behind the head. and controlling the opponents arm by his wrist.

    And Secondly many of his throws come off of wrestlers shooting in on him and using his grip and control to turn into them, get his hips under them and throw.

    I would suggest you check you tube for some of his instructionals.
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    Adjusting to a no-gi grip is easy when you're not using the more contrived and ridiculous throws (such as tomoe nage).
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    Actually Tomoe nage works well with a grip behind the head and on bicep. With your foot going in the hip flexer.

    The problem with tomo nage in MMA is setting it up and not getting punched in the head. I can see it maybe working if you can get into a clinch and pull the head down and to the side quickly while getting the foot in. But it would depend more on leverage and strength than breaking their balance through movement.

    Again it seems that the best use of Judo is as a counter to wrestling where you don't have to break kazushi but go with the forward movement of the wrestler.
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    9/23/2007 7:56am


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    I've used some basic hip and shoulder throws in the past easily. I think the best time to use judo is to counter any attempt at a clinch.
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    Any judo throw that isn't overly reliant on the gi will work in MMA, and that's nearly all of them.

    I wouldn't expect to pick up enough to use them reliably in only a few sessions though, especially a difficult throw like uchi mata, which takes a lot of practice to get right as you're potentially giving up your back.
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    9/23/2007 8:13am


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    I already know Uchi Mata. When I say a few sessions I mean about...2 weeks about 3 hours a session and a session every second day!
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    Ah, ok. Try and get hold of Karo Parisyan's stuff, he demonstrates some good applications of judo throws in MMA.

    Uchimata as a counter to an outside trip:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdTVTObWeGs

    Edit: or it would be if I could fucking embed right. There, got it!
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    9/23/2007 8:23am


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    That video isn't working for me. Could you just post the URL?
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    9/23/2007 8:32am


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    Hah, n00bs :S
    No, still didn't work. It says the owner doesn't allow embeding of the video :S
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