Posted On:9/22/2007 9:49pm
Style: Wrestling, BJJ n00b
Originally Posted by pnwnorseman
So I get one honest response and about 4 and a half flames. Seriously **** off if you have nothing constructive to add.
This topic has been debated on bullshido.net again and again and again. I truly believe it is you who has nothing constructive to add. It's all been said. From MMA doesn't teach against nutshots to MMAers would be able to defend a nutshot based on what they know, from eyegouges are teh deadly to eyegouges are impossible to pull off, it's ALL been said many times. I would go so far as to say that 70% of it has been repeated in the last four weeks, and that other 30% is either too stupid or too specific to be repeated on a monthly basis.
Assumptions: "**** off if you have nothing constructive to add"
Horseman has nothing constructive to add
Conclusions: Horseman should **** off
You are welcome here on bullshido.net. Your first post, though disgustingly typical, was at least respectful. Your second post was disrespectful, and that's why I'm angry. Please stay, just have respect. If somebody flames you, respond with dignity and don't drop to their level.
Posted On:9/22/2007 9:52pm
Style: sport Aikido & Judo
When I was learning BJJ many years ago our instructor told us to respond to stuff like that by upping the ante. If the other guy grabs your hair put your finger in his eye and tell him to stop, because well, in the grand scheme of things eyes are worth more than hair.
Posted On:9/22/2007 10:20pm
Can we somehow make it a requirement that new members read the groundfighting FAQ?
Posted On:9/22/2007 11:18pm
Style: Wing Chun, Hung Gar
Bite to neck = dead grappler. Dont you people watch zombie movies?
Posted On:9/23/2007 12:41am
Style: On Hiatus
No, bite to neck = UNdead grappler. Duh.
Posted On:9/23/2007 4:13am
Style: Defense Fighting
I was supposed to write a good example where dirty fighting could be added to grappling. But after lots of IF attacked with this, IF you know how to defend, IF the attack is not too good you MIGHT get free and after that you're back in square one (and the opponent MIGHT be pissed off), I realised that it started to sound pretty unrealistic.
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Posted On:9/23/2007 1:23pm
Style: standup to ground
Dirty depends on the ruleset. I've trained where stuff like headbutts, stomps, and the like were taking into consideration, but never really trained against biting or anything like that.
Keeping somebody's hand away from your face is pretty similar whether he is punching or eye gouging.
Posted On:9/23/2007 1:56pm
Style: creonte on hiatus
To the OP: The answer to this eternal question is quickly found by just fucking signing to grappling and MMA classes and spend the next 3-6 months training in them. After that time, you will know for sure if the answer to your questions, if your assumptions as to what works and what doesn't are right or wrong.
It doesn't matter what people tell you, even if they speak from years of first-hand experience. Your question comes from a set of beliefs and questions that are deeply set in your mindset. No amount of 2-hand explanations over the internet will change those.
You want to know the true answers to your questions, then find a grappling and mma school and sign for it. Then you'll have first-hand experience about what works and what doesn't.
Everything else is hearsay and mindless circle-jerk dead-horse beating.
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Posted On:9/23/2007 2:23pm
Style: In Hiatus
Originally Posted by pnwnorseman
This question I pose mainly to those who study the grappling styles, but any who have insight feel free to respond. It seems that in many situations that a headbutt, nut shot, or even a good bite would be a usefull/ easy/ why the hell not kind of way to break some grappling holds or at least get a chance to weaken them. Hell If I am in a REAL street fight where there are no rules but he who wins...wins, I'll use everything I know down to foul language and your mom taunts to win including nut shots and headbutts. Do your instructors ever address these types of things when learning your styles? I'm not tryin to be funny or a Newb, I'm actually curious especially since it seems that grappling arts are usually tauted as the more effective practical self defense for the average person. Again this is a serious inquiry into the training of grappling styles and their practicality in a true street fight since that seems to be the "bench test" of an MA used for self defense.
Yeah, it's called a grappler (me) throwing a moron (you) on his head.
Posted On:9/23/2007 2:52pm
Style: .45ACP & Confusion
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