Does your style teach to defend against "dirty fighting"?

**pnwnorseman** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 7:08pm

This question I pose mainly to those who study the grappling styles, but any who have insight feel free to respond. It seems that in many situations that a headbutt, nut shot, or even a good bite would be a usefull/ easy/ why the hell not kind of way to break some grappling holds or at least get a chance to weaken them. Hell If I am in a REAL street fight where there are no rules but he who wins...wins, I'll use everything I know down to foul language and your mom taunts to win including nut shots and headbutts. Do your instructors ever address these types of things when learning your styles? I'm not tryin to be funny or a Newb, I'm actually curious especially since it seems that grappling arts are usually tauted as the more effective practical self defense for the average person. Again this is a serious inquiry into the training of grappling styles and their practicality in a true street fight since that seems to be the "bench test" of an MA used for self defense.

**JJson** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 7:24pm

I think a good MA would have techniques where you have control over the attacker. If a technique can fail, I would expect the teacher to explain the limitations of the technique. Maybe one limitation of BJJ is someone can squeeze your nuts and bite flesh off. In stand up karate often there isn't a chance to get a good grab. The karate person will block, move, deflect, counter strike, or find some way to avoid the attack.

I watched an Aikido randori with Seagal on youtube. Seagal was able to control an attacker by the wrist. If the attacker tried to strike or attack, all Seagal did was slightly move the wrist and the guy was stoped in mid strike. Seagal used that wrist lock to force the attacker to run into a second attacker.

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 7:35pm

Well what if your awesome bite or eye poke doesn't work (it won't)? Now you have one mighty pissed off grappler holding you down in a very vulnerable position... oops.

Put it this way, squeezing a guy's nuts just before you pass out from a choke is like sticking your head in a tiger's mouth and then poking it's wedding tackle with a pointy stick.

**Uri Shatil** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 7:48pm

:beatdead:

:pancakebu

**Kid Miracleman** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 7:59pm

What Uri said.

***Plasma*** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 8:08pm

Stick saids to **** off

-posted from Hooters on plasma's iPhone

**Kozma** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 8:10pm

You fight dirty back and make him pay for fighting dirty

**Zub-Zub** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 8:28pm

Originally Posted by pnwnorseman

This question I pose mainly to those who study the grappling styles, but any who have insight feel free to respond. It seems that in many situations that a headbutt, nut shot, or even a good bite would be a usefull/ easy/ why the hell not kind of way to break some grappling holds or at least get a chance to weaken them. Hell If I am in a REAL street fight where there are no rules but he who wins...wins, I'll use everything I know down to foul language and your mom taunts to win including nut shots and headbutts. Do your instructors ever address these types of things when learning your styles? I'm not tryin to be funny or a Newb, I'm actually curious especially since it seems that grappling arts are usually tauted as the more effective practical self defense for the average person. Again this is a serious inquiry into the training of grappling styles and their practicality in a true street fight since that seems to be the "bench test" of an MA used for self defense.

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**namaste** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 8:28pm

yeah, it teaches this novel concept called 'positional dominance'.

as the name states, it allows me to gain the most dominant position, and from there i can control someone, submit them or just break there stupid deadly face.

**pnwnorseman** · Posted On: 9/22/2007 8:40pm

So I get one honest response and about 4 and a half flames. Seriously **** off if you have nothing constructive to add. I have neither time nor desire to search through the shitstorm of BBS threads to find what is most likely not there or burried in hours worth of searching just to read flames, so I post a thread and get flamed. For a place that is supposed to help people understand martial arts all it really seems to do is show how much practicing martial arts seems to make you act like a child. I never said I had an awesome bite or eye gouge or anything even close to that. I love the assumption that I am aparently both waiting till I am nearly choked out and relying on bites eye gouges and nut "squeezing?" as my defense. ( I believe a punch would be more effective as denoted by the use of the word "shot" rather than "squeeze") You have no clue what I am trained in or to do, what my knowledge of fighting entails or my experience, but it is very kind of you to assume these things based soley on 1 question in which I offered none of those facts and actually just asked if grappling arts trained to defend against these types of attacks. To JJason, thank you for your response. To the rest of you flame happy children. Grow up.