cool so its decided he bullshido in regards to his past before he met his wife. One glaring inaccuracy I noticed ( though probably ours) is that earlier it was stated that the scars were been dragon and tiger shaped. Perhaps in reality they were cuts from a failed suicide attempt?
Originally Posted by Mr P
Originally Posted by Mr P
Convenient that anyone who might provide even a fraction of corroboration is unavailable due to either Tony's desire to not have people tracing his past, his concerns about them being "harassed" OR them committing suicide in a most unlikely manner.
Petrol in most prisons is a monitored substance to say the least.
In no small part because the authorities are aware of its flammable properties.
"Hey Alcapony, why you want this petrol?"
"For my moped, I am going to drive around the yard and escape like Steve McQueen in 'The Great Escape'."
With regards the cause of the scars ,I to thought the book said a dragon and a tiger but ill need to check that . What he said at the meeting was the cause is as above.
With regards the guy pouring petrol over his head my personal opinion is this.
TA did go to prison in Nicosia, TA was attacked whilst in there , A person who was in the prison at the time TA was in there has recently poured petrol over himself and set it alight. This may or may not be the person who attacked him.
This person may or may not also have had the nickname Alcapony.
When TA told me about this whilst pointing out we where looking at the wrong Alcapony he said "you are looking at the wrong Alcapony, its the one that has just poured petrol over himself and set himself alight you should be looking at"
Michael Wright had informed him of this.
Ive dont a little digging but there seams to be quite a few people that have poured petrol over themselves in Cyprus for a variety of reasons so it will take a bit of time to nail down the specific incident. Tony didnt say specifically that this happened inside prison, however I have read reports that the prison has been critized heavily for being both relaxed and corrupt.
Oh I forgot to mention, Tony said that he speaks very little chinese, I asked him to speak some and he said a few greetings, "hello how are you" he said he understands more than he speaks. (I wouldnt have known if it was chinese or not to be honest )
He confirmed that he speaks fluent Greek.
His book is also being released in China , its going through a scrutiny process at the moment as there is quite stringent tests for religious books before they can be released there according to TA.
He said that because of the scrutiny that the book was being put under by the chinese that this version would be more accurate than the western version we have.
[quote=Mr P;2392599]Oh I forgot to mention, Tony said that he speaks very little chinese, I asked him to speak some and he said a few greetings, "hello how are you" he said he understands more than he speaks.quote]
That is the clincher. A man who has spent the first nine years of his life in China, being reared by a Chinese grandfather, cannot forget how to speak fluent Chinese. Game over. This man is clearly a Greek Cypriot, as I suspected. It now remains for someone to approach the Evangelical Alliance to raise this issue with them.
So he admits that the truthfulness of his statements increases with the scrutiny that is applied to them? On what planet is this a defense to being accused of dishonesty?
Originally Posted by Mr P
I may not have worded that to correctly reflect what he meant.
Originally Posted by Nicko1
Let me think about that.
Terrafirma, just out of interest who are you? Do you know me?
Also im not sure there is sufficient hard evidence to prove anything beyond a doubt yet so notifying any organization without further proof may simply make them reject the information and harden them to future notification with better evidence.
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King without a crown
I know I might be an arsehole about this, but...
Did you ask about the incident in Sweden?
(The book claims that Tony went to Sweden to meet with his girlfriend's family in Stockholm or thereabouts. That was the fist time he was arrested by the police. He claims to have stopped a rape attempt, and being arrested on the spot, with the rapist and victim still present, "because the use of MA is prohibited in Sweden".
There are no such laws and due to some contacts i made with the Police in Stockholm, we established (some 20 pages back or so) that there never was an attempted rape case in which the police had been called on site. No arrest of a rapist "in the act" hade been reported and the story didn't check out on other stuff as well.)
I am just curious, really.
Good job, Mr P. Thank you for taking some time to actually see what checks and what does not.
Whoever discovered records of Antonio Anthony(?), born 1969 to a Greek Cypriot mother, from North London may have the lead to 'definitive' evidence.
If the mum, who TA has had no contact with for many years, is there then and is his mum.... that's definitve.
Also there will be a local school with records, photos, classmates etc. Local people who've known him as a child.
The Greek Cypriot Community (in North London?) could have answers.
A Chinese mother and Italian father, on the other hand, would be known in the Chinese and Italian communities.
Wedding Certificate should have father and mother's names. Prison/Police/ records for the two year jail sentence in 2000 must have Tony's real names surely. From the real names there will be a 1969 birth certificate with mother and father's names.
Heir Hunters on the TV do it all the time, in minutes sometimes - and the firms featured might do it out of interest. The key firm Fraser and Fraser are in London if someone from London had a polite approach - website: http://www.lostkin.co.uk/
@Mackan, To be honest I overlooked that one.
But TA emailed me a few days ago stating that he is going to be in touch mid july to confirm a few other points regarding the year 1987 so I will ask him then.
@Concern, this is the birth record showing a Tony Antoni born in Hendon district (North London) to a mother with a Cypriot maidon name.
Although Tony confirmed in the meeting this was not him.
I am still working on this.
You are spot on in my oppinion , the key to verifying most of the facts is in TA's real name.
TA stated during the meeting that the reason he conceals his true identity is that his family in china have threatened to kill him.
He said that the family in china are quite poor and dont necessrilly have the resources to send a hit squad after him or anything but regardless he felt the threat was serious enough that his past must be concealed.
I did point out that this statement combined with the fact he had just told me his book was being released in china and he was travelling to Singapore and Malasyia where much of the people in his audience where chinese seamed some what of a contradiction.
His answer to this was that he didnt want to just pop up infront of his family and say "here i am" it was something he wanted to do gradually.
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