Posted On:10/13/2009 7:30am
Great work guys
I also think it's a good thing that concerned Christians are doing a lot of the work here.
I'm not a Christian myself, but I think that the people most at risk of being conned (if this is a con) are Christians and I think it's very helpful that Christians are investigating Tony.
Interestingly the Daily Motion 5 part Taming the Tiger videos I embedded earlier in the thread now appear not to be working.
Just a reminder that I made copies of them as they were pretty detailed and I can upload them to viddler to share should any of you investigating need to access them.
Sorry I've not been so active on this of late, I'm insanely busy with work
edited to add
lots of his youtube videos are also no longer working
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Posted On:10/13/2009 12:35pm
Style: Grappling avec punches
Allot of the Youtube stuff i tried is still working.
Its going to be interesting to see if he responds over the next few days, it appears the net is closing and he risks confession by silence without his rebuttal and varification.
Posted On:10/13/2009 1:14pm
Style: chen & yang style tai chi
All of the youtube Tony Anthony videos i tried are still working. I check them every day. The email links on the avanti ministries site are down though, and have been for days. I'm very suspicious about this, so i asked a computer expert today why that might be. He said there could be a few reasons for this. He cited maybe trouble with the 'server side mail client' or 'band width issues' (this is all a foreign language to a technophobe like me). But the fact that it's been down for days, he said, strongly suggests that the web-master or administrator of the site has intentionally removed the links.
Posted On:10/14/2009 9:56am
Style: CMA,Muay Thai ,Yudo,TKD
While we're waiting, I've tried to find any reference for a Li Chang Po in Xi'an without success. I did several modified searches on Google and came up empty handed. That doesn't mean that he doesn't exist it just means that there are not any references to him in English. I would definitely need characters to do a proper search.
Posted On:10/14/2009 10:07am
Style: Siling Labuyo Arnis
Originally Posted by filehelp
Got a reply from Tony. Just making sure I have his permission to post it.
Well, until then, howabout you give us your general impression of his answers? Are they plausible/credible?
Posted On:10/14/2009 6:06pm
Style: Japan Highschool Karate
Greetings to you in the name of our wonderful Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Thank you for the email it was very good to hear from you, and for your encouraging words at the start of your email.
I am glad that you have had a chance to read my testimony. Taming the Tiger is a true life story, however many of the identifying details and descriptions in the book have been changed to protect the identity of certain people and groups portrayed. My name “Tony Anthony” is not actually the name that I went by in China or in any of the competitions that I took part in. We did not enter my full details in the book, as there are sensitive issue involved where by I have had a death threat from my family in China for ending quite a long family tradition. We will be adding a disclaimer in future editions of Taming the Tiger to explain this as we have had to protect the identity and description of numerous people in my story. In terms of creative license, I can tell you that we did not use any at all - however I would like to say that we did not include everything that has happened in my life into this book for fear that my story would be even more unbelievable, and also because many of those additional elements would have no relevance to the main point of my book.
The various other queries that you raised have resulted from an absence of internet based information (for the reasons explained above) as we have had this from a few other people in the past. I do apologise if you could not find any information about me on the internet, although I am not entirely sure where you would have searched exactly. It very much depends on which Kung Fu World Title you would have been looking under as there are a large number of world championship competitions in Kung Fu held across the world and especially in Asia, both modern and ancient and they can be quite varied as some incorporate a variety of styles of Kung Fu and others specialise in specific techniques, which can all be very misleading.
The age, scale and level of these competitions also depends upon who is organising the competition, as they could be organised by a revered master (often self-promoted) who has developed a particular style (and the competition is often based on how well their own students do in the style they have taught), or alternatively they could be organised by an awarding body composed of a group of masters or Abbott’s that share the common vision to promote the whole science of Kung Fu. There are no end to Kung Fu schools, organisations and federations around the world, and they would each subscribe to a different Kung Fu world championship, which makes things very confusing – although each one would try to say that theirs was the ultimate one. This was one of the points that I tried to communicate in the book, as I did not feel that I was the best by any stretch of the imagination, as there were so many advanced students and grandmasters that never entered the strand of competitions that I entered in, and they were at a much higher standard than me by far.
The competitions that I took part in are over 200 years old – and they are derived from the lineage of Gong So who goes back to the Manchu Dynasty. These competitions are held in mainland China and as they are so specialised I have not known them to be publicised outside of the relevant circles, and so I doubt very much that you would ever find these competitions advertised on a Google search engine.
I hope that this sheds a bit more light on the matter. We have actually produced a few DVD’s which include interviews with key people that feature in my testimony such a Michael Wright, and I would be very happy to send a free copy to you. If you would like a copy of this, then please forward a postal details and I would be very happy to send one across to you.
You also enquired about "Al Caponey". He was most definitely in the prison at the same time as me, however it is also quite common for inmates to serve time in prison and also have to attend further court cases whether they be for sentencing, appeal, etc, etc. In terms of the layout of the prison, you may be interested to know that the juvenile prisoners were mixed together with many adult offenders as well at the time that I was in Nicosia Central.
You enquired about conflicting dates in my book, and I apologise if we did not communicate them clearly enough. There were many things that happened at the same time during the course of each year. My organisation will be adding a section to our website (Please visit: http://www.avantiministries.com/faq.php which has already been prepared) where we will be adding answers to frequently asked questions. We expect this to be ready in the next month or so. I hope that most of your questions can be answered here.
I hope some of the above helps you in some way.
God bless you.
Keep on keeping on...
Posted On:10/14/2009 6:30pm
Not a whole lot of news there. It is not only his kung fu that raises questions. I seriously doubt that we will ever find out, if it's true or not, but I think you guys are doing a great job trying.
I have spent too much time on this without getting anywhere, as I lack resources. Still, I will be following the thread. I have decided to look at his story as true until someone proves the opposite.
Once again, you are doing a great job. And as Tony says: Keep on keeping on, maybe you'll find some interesting stuff along the way. I still hope you'll prove him a liar, if that is infact what he is
Posted On:10/14/2009 6:49pm
Mate, I did a six week tour with Tony Anthony....he ripped off the Christian Teaching materials we wrote, and is now presenting them to others as his own..and selling them....the 'gospel' presentation he uses at the end of his talks was written by me...I can't believe the Christian church is so naive...we quizzed Tony for some time about his 'world champion' status...eventually it came out...he says there are many types of Kung Fu...his one was very rare..so he is the champion of this rare variety..when asked how many people fought for the title...the answer was no more than 40...
But this is not the main problem I have with Tony...my main concern is that he took all my resources and is now parading them as his own...I didn't mind him using them, because I want to get the message out, but he didn't like the idea of acknowledging where they came from...instead he opted for saying they are his...he is incredibly cunning and tricky how he did it...
Posted On:10/14/2009 7:20pm
Hey mate, could you tell us more information on the tour?
What year was this?
what was covered etc?
Any information possible.
Also sorry about your work, someone here might know possible steps you can take about it.
The only real facts we got out of the Email is that he claims he definitely WAS in jail at the time of Caponey. Of course I will keep looking deeply into the issue as all the evidence I have collected states otherwise.
It took him about 3 days to reply to the email, but no doubt he is very busy.
If you guys can think of any other questions to ask him i suspect he will answer a few more.
Posted On:10/14/2009 7:24pm
Bigguy1. Interesting post. The plot thickens! Please tell us more.
As for Tony's reply - filehelp, littleoldme, terraform, someone, please comment on it before i lose the will to live.
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