Southend-on-Sea, England: Kung Fu master Tony Anthony and Avanti Ministries

**littleoldme** · Posted On: 10/09/2009 4:18pm

Originally Posted by stubbe78

I believe in the bible. I find no reason to believe Tony Anthony, as, for instance, it was his kung fu that was said to rescue him. I would be very careful to believe Tony based on the Daniel story alone, but it could be one of the arguments that would be used. Therefore, for me it is not as black and white, as it may be to you, as my christian faith is my life
However, I still don't believe him and as long as he can't come up with better explanations, that won't change.

While I don't share your Christian faith I think it does you great credit that you can hold your beliefs dear and yet also maintain a logical and skeptical perpsective in relation to Tony Anthony's claims.

I wish that more of your brethren were able to be as discerning and cautious.

**filehelp** · Posted On: 10/09/2009 8:09pm

Tony has replied to an email from me and said he would answer some questions.

I sent a few to him about 10 hours ago and am still awaiting a reply. Will post when he replys.

**Ronin.74** · Posted On: 10/09/2009 11:20pm

Originally Posted by filehelp

Quick Question to any TCM-Artists:

If there was a Kung Fu World Championship in 1987-89 would "the tournament always be point sparing rather then full contact"?

And has anyone heard of "Li Chang Po?" from Xi'an, or his Master. "The renowned grand master Gwok Siu Fong"?

I haven't read the book so I have a couple of questions. Does he say where the tournaments took place? Yes it is quite possible that there were full contact Kung Fu tournaments going on at that time that referred to themselves as the "Kung Fu World Championship". There were full contact Lei Tai events held in China in 1986 and I believe there were Kuoshu events going on in Taiwan that were full contact.

As far as the names of his teachers I would need them in Chinese characters to do any effective research. Gwok Siu Fong is definitely not Mandarin I am assuming it is Cantonese. Does he say where this master lived?

**PDA** · Posted On: 10/10/2009 5:46am

Ive read the Ltd company accounts and he doesnt appear to be doing it for money. He was paid £8494 in 2007. His date of birth is 30/07/1969 .
Ive tried to find name change records at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk but i dont have the time to play around with the search functions.
The other directors of the company are : sarah Anthoney(wife) DAVID JOHN DUELL, Heather Crossley, David Martin Eady. Mark Griggs, William Richard Newton. Philip Anthony Smith.
I dont think that there is a financial con going on. It looks to me like our friend Tony Anthony was possibly rejected as child in some way and wants to be worshipped and loved. This maybe why he has re-written that part of his life. It seams that there maybe a bit of truth here and there in the prison stories but the chinese grandfather master in china story stinks of more bullshit than speech by Gordon Brown.
He is based within a mile or so of where i train so at some point ill try and get an interview.

P.S
I am both a christian and martial arts practioner (allthough a novice in the latter)

**stephenprunetti** · Posted On: 10/10/2009 5:55am

Hi Ronin.74. Hi everyone else!

A little while back on this thread there was a discussion between a few people about whether Tony had a Cantonese accent or not.

I think this missed the point entirely, the first question that should have been asked is, 'Does Tony Anthony even speak Cantonese?' He claims to have been raised in Guangdong province, which i believe is a Cantonese speaking area. Tony himself, in his book says, 'My grandfather took on the majority of my upbringing.' So one must assume he is fluent in Cantonese. He very well may have been raised in Guangdong province and speak Cantonese. But i am suspicious about even this.

All it would take to find out, is for someone who speaks Cantonese to talk to him. Ronin.74, you seem knowledgable in this area. Do you speak Cantonese? If so, why don't you phone him up and ask him what his favourite Chinese food is, in Cantonese?

**filehelp** · Posted On: 10/10/2009 7:20am

Great post terraform. really helpful! hopefully you can keep researching with us!

Know we have his D.O.B i will try and post a detailed timeline tomorrow.

Being able to speak Cantonese is a interesting question. but one that we would never be able to prove definitively to others. But I will ask my girlfriend, from Canton, to critique some of his attempts at Chinese names tomorrow.

Ronin i will post all the information about the world champs tomorrow when i have the book with me. Tony stated that it was a points competition not full contact.

**Ronin.74** · Posted On: 10/10/2009 10:08am

Sorry SP I do not speak Cantonese, only Mandarin. If he was raised in Guangdong he should be able to speak Cantonese without question. If you can locate a native Cantonese speaker who can put questions to him in Cantonese you will have one more piece of evidence that may help to support his claims or discredit his story.

The other master being Li Chang Po from Xi'an may be a bit easier to track down, but still difficult without the characters. Does he state at when he trained with this master?

If he was fighting in point tournments it could have been anywhere. In China the main forms of competition are Leitai, San Da (both full contact) and forms.

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 10/10/2009 2:42pm

Originally Posted by stephenprunetti

Hi Ronin.74. Hi everyone else!

A little while back on this thread there was a discussion between a few people about whether Tony had a Cantonese accent or not.

I think this missed the point entirely, the first question that should have been asked is, 'Does Tony Anthony even speak Cantonese?' He claims to have been raised in Guangdong province, which i believe is a Cantonese speaking area. Tony himself, in his book says, 'My grandfather took on the majority of my upbringing.' So one must assume he is fluent in Cantonese. He very well may have been raised in Guangdong province and speak Cantonese. But i am suspicious about even this.

All it would take to find out, is for someone who speaks Cantonese to talk to him. Ronin.74, you seem knowledgable in this area. Do you speak Cantonese? If so, why don't you phone him up and ask him what his favourite Chinese food is, in Cantonese?

When he used Chinese words, he used Mandarin pronounciation, not Cantonese.:qpepsi:

**stubbe78** · Posted On: 10/10/2009 5:13pm

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/200...-suspects.html

If this refers to "our" Ian Davidson, it's rather interesting, as I believe it's the same county as Tony Anthony lives in, am I right?

**stubbe78** · Posted On: 10/10/2009 5:16pm

Originally Posted by stubbe78

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/200...-suspects.html

If this refers to "our" Ian Davidson, it's rather interesting, as I believe it's the same county as Tony Anthony lives in, am I right?

Although it's not spelled correctly, it seems that they mean Davidson and not as written on the blog, "Davison"