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  1. stephenprunetti is offline

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    Malcolm Down.

    Hi Stephen.

    Thanks for your email.

    The point i am making is that Tony saw what he saw. In the end it's hard to prove one way or the other and as with most biographies there will always be incidents where you just have to take the authors word as truth.

    With regard to your conclusion about the book as a whole and your opinion of Tony, we will simply have to agree to disagree! As the publisher we stand by Tony and his book. You are of course at liberty to pursue your efforts to counter the claims he makes and i'm sure in the end the truth will prevail.

    With regards to the financial proceeds from the book, what i can tell you is that every penny of Tony's royalty's go back into buying books which he largely gives away so making money is actually the very least of his concerns.

    Regards

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    His website is actually quite interesting

    some of his fellow evangelists
    http://www.avantiministries.com/evan...entonbaker.php
    http://www.avantiministries.com/evan...onyanewton.php
    http://www.avantiministries.com/evan..._jamiekidd.php (check his biography tab)
    http://www.avantiministries.com/evan..._biography.php

    they all seem to share a "misery memoir" dramatic past, their bois all either hint at or specifically mention a criminal past.

    I have no problem at all with people who got into crime and made bad choices as an adolescent going on to help others avoid the mistakes they made, in fact I think that can be a wonderful thing. However given what we know about Tony I feel very uncomfortable about how this particular group of evangelists is being presented to people.

    If Tony's boi is a complete lie maybe that is true for one or more of the others

    http://www.tangle.com/view_video?vie...dec78cbb791ecb


    If you look at their events calendar here http://www.avantiministries.com/eventsdiary.php it appears that there is only very basic information available, nothing that could identify the schools or other projects that they visit with any certainty. I wonder why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenprunetti View Post
    Hi Stephen.

    Thanks for your email.

    The point i am making is that Tony saw what he saw. In the end it's hard to prove one way or the other and as with most biographies there will always be incidents where you just have to take the authors word as truth.

    With regard to your conclusion about the book as a whole and your opinion of Tony, we will simply have to agree to disagree! As the publisher we stand by Tony and his book. You are of course at liberty to pursue your efforts to counter the claims he makes and i'm sure in the end the truth will prevail.

    With regards to the financial proceeds from the book, what i can tell you is that every penny of Tony's royalty's go back into buying books which he largely gives away so making money is actually the very least of his concerns.

    Regards

    Malcolm
    If you look at the various Tony Antony videos on youtube you can see that he does in fact give away lots of signed copies of books to children.

    When I have worked with children nobody in my organisation is permitted to give personal gifts to children, for obvious boundary reasons. Any little freebies that we give to children are given only through teachers of youth workers.

    Even if all of the money from Tony's book royalties go to buy more books, then Malcolm must be absolutely raking it in, as he effectively profits from the sales of the books directly through sales. He is in the enviable position of publishing Anthony's best seller and even the royalties he pays to Anthony go back into book sales. He must be laughing all the way to the bank

    As for Anthony's revenue, I would have thought that most of that would come from ticket sales to evangelist events and through donations.

    This is interesting

    The following shows the true impact of your gift...

    • 2 a month funds one prisoner per month to get a copy of Taming the Tiger
    • 3 a month funds a follow-up bag for a new Christian per month
    • 5 a month equips a person with fresh resources to share the Gospel
    • 20 a month funds 10 prisoners per month to get a copy of Taming the Tiger
    • 35 a month helps to fund a Prison Outreach Mission where the Gospel is proclaimed and the Chapel is resourced with Christian literature for the inmates
    • 85 a month helps to fund a School Outreach Mission where the Gospel is proclaimed and copies of Taming the Tiger are given to the school
    • 170 a month helps to fund mission weeks in poorer countries, where the Gospel is communicated to thousands of people


    http://www.avantiministries.com/giving_financially.php

    They could not afford to give away new copies of the book for 2. They use the word "get" which I would imagine means "receive on loan".

    It would be interesting to know more about the business relationship between Malcolm and Tony Anthony. This looks like a very elegant and clever model for generating significant revenue.

    I will await updates to Tony's website with interest
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    FFS

    There are no Bengal tiers living in China. Bengal tigers live in India, that's why they are called Bengal tigers.

    The only Chinese tigers are the Indochinese tiger and the South China tiger, the latter being one of the 10 most endangered species in the world.

    No tiger lives safely in China, as the massive demand for tiger parts for TCM makes a dead tiger a phenomenally valuable thing.

    If Tony Anthony claimed to have encountered an ordinary golden tiger in China and that it just chilled out with him and let him scratch its ear the story would have been ludicrous. The claim that it was a white tiger just takes the already incredible story into cloud cuckoo land.

    You could contact the people at any one of a number of tiger conservation charities and they would confirm this.

    The Big Cat Haven in Florida might be a good place to start as they published this article about white tigers.

    http://bigcathaven.org/cats/wild/whi...s_genetics.htm
    prehaps he met the white tiger on a visit to his local zoo?!

    http://www.colchester-zoo.co.uk/inde...our.whitetiger
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    Stephen
    check your youtube messages

    :)
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    another of Avanti Ministry's evangelists
    http://www.avantiministries.com/evan..._biography.php

    a C&P of some of it for those too lazy to click on a link

    "We moved to the roughest housing estate in Europe (Drumchapel, just outside Glasgow) and that is where I learned to use violence to solve a situation!


    A few years later we moved to Merseyside and I got interested in Martial Arts and became pretty good at it. I then started work as a bouncer and then moved into bodyguard work. I got involved with a highly professional group of ex-soldiers from various countries and we became a great team. Our company would use us to clean up troubled nightclubs. Hit them Hard and move on was our Motto.


    It was not long before I ended up doing some serious debt collecting for some of our close protection clients which then lead onto us choosing our own 'Jobs'. I was soon involved in international kidnapping of men that had stolen from some of our clients. I became embroiled in a world of Shotguns, kidnapping and Money! Subsequently, I ended up in prison serving a 5 year sentence for extortion."

    (emphasis mine)


    He only got out of prison in 2007 and he's already working for Tony Anthony

    OMG it gets worse

    http://www.destinyedinburgh.com/real...in_prison.aspx
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    Posted On:
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    He came to my highschool about 4 years ago, where he quickly shrugged off any questions regarding martial arts and his "3 time kung fu world championship".

    In this talk he also explained/boasted about how he killed numerous men as a bodyguard. We were all pretty shocked that he freely admitted this but didn't do any prison time related to it.

    Dailymotion - Taming the tiger Tony Anthony part 1 - une vidéo Vie pratique@@AMEPARAM@@http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x6gkal@@AMEPARAM@@x6gkal

    First couple of minutes of the video version of "taming the tiger" is a pretty handy intro for someone that doesn't know to much about his "story".
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    Filehelp

    Thanks for your post and that video

    Can you please describe Tony's visit to your school?

    How old were the children who saw his presentation?

    Did he give free books to kids?

    I'm very interested in hearing about his visit in as much detail as possible

    Thanks again
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    10/06/2009 7:53am


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    The truth will prevail, that Tony Anthony is a fantasist.

    Hi all,

    Let's not digress too much, here. Some of Tony's fellow evangelists may well be very genuine and sincere people (although, i admit all those biogs at avanti ministries don't make for light reading!)

    I originally read 'Taming the Tiger' because a Christian friend of mine passed it on to me. This lady is an old friend, a very sincere and devout person. It really upset me, when she asked me if i enjoyed it, that i had to say, 'It was interesting, but unfortunately i believe this man is a liar.'

    I don't know which parts, if any, of 'Taming the Tiger' are true. For example; he may well have been in prison in Cyprus at some point. He may be, as he claims, half Chinese and have been brought up in China. I don't speak Chinese and have never been to China, so i have no grounds to doubt this claim (although, there are two very articulate book reviews at amazon.co.uk, were the writers express their belief that Anthony has no knowledge of China at all.)

    I do, however, know that Anthony has little or no knowledge of kung fu. Many of his claims are pure fantasy of the highest order: Stroking wild tigers, carrying cauldrons of molten metal, escaping across a desert terrain after a gun-battle. His book also contains many other demonstrable lies. He states that martial arts are illegal in Sweden, this is not true. Quite a mistake to make for a kung fu world champ, (this in itself, a total misnomer). Anyone out there ever heard of the 'IKF?' According to Mr Anthony, they're an international kung fu organisation that got him work as a bodyguard. But in reality, this organisation does not exist outside of the unsophisticated imagination of Tony Anthony.

    I urge anyone who, like me, is concerned that this fantasist is travelling the world, recounting his bullshit story, to do all they can to expose him. Place a book review on amazon. Email Tony Anthony and his publishers with your queries. Contact local churches, schools and other organisations where he is due to speak, with your concerns about this man.

    Many people already know that Anthony is a fraud. I would dearly love to see him exposed completely.
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    Posted On:
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    Stephen: A little correction IKF exists, but has only been there since 2003 and is located in Azerbaijan.(I mailed them and they said that there has only been local federations before 2003
    IKFF is located in Geneve and it is a Swedish organisation "Internationale Kvindeforbundet fr Fred och Frihet"
    Now, Tony claims that IKFF trained him and hired him? So he is 3 times worldchampion in International Womens federation for Peace and Freedom.
    Or in International Kettlebell and Fitness Federation(don't remember, where country or city)

    And, I don't think he says that it is illegal in Sweden. He says that it is illegal to use out in the streets, as far as I remember

    I agree that some might be true and that is why we maybe never be able to expose him fully.

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