Eddie Bravo is a paranoid stoner quote this if you are down

**Fitz** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 11:59am

Here's a novel idea.

If you want to know what happened get a degree in structural engineering and do some additional grad work in forensic reconstruction. It will certainly give you better answers then spouting off on a discussion board about martials arts.

**daGorilla** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 12:34pm

Originally Posted by Asriel

According to my Brother (who is a paranoid stoner funnily enough) the one world government will wipe out 2/3 of the world's population.

He also claims that there will be a mandatory draft next year and the illuminati are controlling all governments. That Bin Laden is a CIA Agent who blew up the Twin Towers to enable anti-terror laws to be put through...... Oh and the British Royal Family are Lizards.

Your brother must be a follower of David Icke, a crazy British writer/public speaker who is sort of an Art Bell+Sylvia Browne goofball, if memory serves:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

**Fitz** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 1:05pm

Icke's been the main pusher of the Reptilian hypothesis but it isn't his originally. It had been kicking around the UFOlogy and "Satanic Ritual Abuse" communities without gaining much traction for some time before he discovered it.

Icke's main talent, much like David St. Hubbins, is the firm belief that his is smarted then everyone else because he believes virtually everything he reads and a quick enough mental framework to integrate any new piece of information into his attempt at creating a "Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory."

**rw4th** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 3:42pm

Originally Posted by Artful Diablo

What happened to WTC 7???? Why are you all so eager to accept bullshit physics. a "pancake collapse" doesn't take 9 sec for a hundred story building. None of you have given me any responses. Popular Mechanics "debunking" is bullshito. Sure some of Loose change may be assumption, but so is the Official story. I want to adress WTC7. can anyone comment. and no,it wasn't the propane furnace that brought a 47 story bulilding down in 9 sec. come on.

Use Google, there's plenty of stuff available out there that debunks all the pseudo-engineering bullshit in Loose Change. Do your own homework and educate yourself. Or keep on being a believer, whatever suits you.

**Yamabushi** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 4:04pm

Artful, why don't you go here and read some of the threads. You'll find better answers than you'll get here and it'll be funny watching them rip you a new one if you post the same drivel that you're producing here.

One thing I do believe is that you have an open mind. From what I've read your mind is so open your brain has fallen out.

**Craigypooh** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 4:25pm

David Icke's main talent is being more bonkers than anyone else. He went on a chat show on national television to explain his theories and had the entire studio audience laughing in his face. It was painful to watch.

**Lebell** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 4:34pm

we'll never know the full truth about these kind of things, im sure there's more info about that attack, but i don't believe outrageous claims like the jews/communists/aliens/cia blew up the towers.

There's something fundamentally wrong with that logic, it's like when you have a messy house and you want to get rid of the mess, you set fire to it and burn it down.
So you get rid of the mess, but...

dont be a nutter plz.

**Fitz** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 6:17pm

There's nothing terribly wrong with the logic, provided you know how people typically use logic. They use it not to get to the truth but to find ways to stitch novel experiences into existing belief systems.

Throughout the 1990s the "Bad Guy" was the Government, particularly a notion of there being a clandestine group behind the government pulling the real strings while the Bill Clinton Show distracted the "Sheeple" from seeing what they were really doing. It showed itself in JFK Assassination theory proliferation, in genre entertainment like the X-Files, in the creation and expansion of businesses like the Disinformation Company and in various streams of quasi-Milleniam thinking.

The 2000 Election fit that framework perfectly. Two millionares squared off and the guy who lost, won. He was something of a chucklehead, but he surounded himself with Old White Guys with connections to "think tanks" and Oil Companies, and thus were all clearly evil.

And then something completely off the radar happened. Huge, bloody, destructive, and seemingly incomprehensible.

Now your choices are believing that the largest power in the world, who you had long held were really in control of everything, just got sideswiped by 20 guys or you can re-write the experience to fit your pre-existing belief system. Oh sure, it looked like Saudis associated with Al Queda did it, but they were really on the payroll of the US/CIA/Mossad. They faked the incident, really stuffed the buildings with explosives, are keeping the people on those planes on an isolated island to prevent them from exposing the plot, etc. all so they could get access to Afghanastan, a place no one has really wanted since after WW2 and Iraq, where they've been so creative in their cover story that they're making it seem like the whole things has been a complete mess post-invasion while they're manuvering for their next step in their plan.

Logic can easily be constructed to make this whole thing stick. That's one of the dangers of logic. Once the mechanism starts moving it will do so in a perfectly coherent fashion. But if even one flaw is in the initial conditions all the logic built from it will appear indistinguishable from insanity.