Since we're all talking about Hapkido...

**kwoww** · Posted On: 9/14/2007 5:32pm

Maybe an experienced practitioner could help me out here.

What, exactly, makes Hapkido technically different from, say, BJJ? I always imagined it was mostly stand-up Aikido-esque stuff, but from what I see I guess not.

So my question again: technically, how is Hapkido different from other grappling arts? Or is it very similar techniques in a different ruleset?

**svt2026** · Posted On: 9/19/2007 2:33pm

From what I understand Hapkido and Akido have the same predecessor art. Hapkido took a different direction by adding striking and developing it's own techniques. Originally I think it a grapling art that starts standing up and has finishes on the ground. But nothing like jujitsu. No ground fighting. But a lot of koreans trained in judo so ground fighting is thought in a lot of hapkido schools. The key to applying a technique in hapkido is taking your opponet off ballance before a joint lock of throw can be executed. I am currently in a second school that teaches hapkido, this teacher is from an older generation of practitioners. It's hard to explain a lot of the techniques I learned before are the same but different. Minor details in executions. So every school will be diffrent in my opinion in curriculum and application..

**tcollrin** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 9:14am

Hapkido was taught to me witin the curriculum tae kwon do as (self defence). In later years I have studied BJJ. I have found no crossover between the two arts. Much of the philosophy behind akido you will note involves pointing the index finger during the technique for the purposes of directing Ki or Chi; something just not focused on in BJJ. A freind of mine holds rank in Aikido and I can assue that although Akido and Hapkido may have same origins they have little in common. BJJ is practiced with real resistance, Hap and Akido are not

**svt2026** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 9:20am

Hapkido and akido are similar in principals only. when you look at the techniqus of both there is similarity. Redirecting energy and circular motion are things in common.

**BackFistMonkey** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 9:20am

Originally Posted by tcollrin

BJJ is practiced with real resistance, Hap and Akido are not

Bullshit generalized statement .

Aikido is NOT practiced against resistance by design . Hapkido was meant to be trained hard *.

* but it is rarely taught correctly with the rampant TKD/Hapikido McDojang cross overs .

**Fitz** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 9:29am

Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey

Aikido is NOT practiced against resistance by design

Not completely true.

While early phases of training are with minimal resistance to learning basic movements the kata of Aikido are designed to be trained through progressive resistence from your training partner. It just doesn't happen all that often in most Aikido lineages, mostly for reasons of philosophy, inexperience and incompetence.

Since there is some issue with Hapkido's connection to Diato-ryu, it might be worth avoiding too much of an Aikido comparison.

So, what are some good diagnostics of "Hapikido done right" in terms of videos, etc.? I've had only minimal exposure to it and trying to parse through the available video without knowing more it is hard to determine what practitioenrs of Hapkido consider to be good representations of their art and which ones are thought to be crap.

**svt2026** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 9:46am

Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey

Bullshit generalized statement .

Aikido is NOT practiced against resistance by design . Hapkido was meant to be trained hard *.

* but it is rarely taught correctly with the rampant TKD/Hapikido McDojang cross overs .

It's true hapkido is designed to be trained hard. My teacher always said you have to feel it to understand the technique. Yes you do practice be a lot of repetiotion not in actual sparring like BJJ but through repetition you can learn the technique and be able to use in real situation. To me good hapkido is hard training, lot of techniques.

**kwoww** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 4:33pm

Thanks for the responses, but I was surprised that a number of people said that there was no ground fighting, since it's a major part of the Pro-Hapkido ruleset.

**BackFistMonkey** · Posted On: 9/20/2007 4:48pm

Originally Posted by kwoww

Thanks for the responses, but I was surprised that a number of people said that there was no ground fighting, since it's a major part of the Pro-Hapkido ruleset.

Good Hapkido should be able to compete under the Pro-Hapkido rules .

Originally Posted by fitz

So, what are some good diagnostics of "Hapikido done right" in terms of videos, etc.? I've had only minimal exposure to it and trying to parse through the available video without knowing more it is hard to determine what practitioenrs of Hapkido consider to be good representations of their art and which ones are thought to be crap.

Good Hapkido should be able to compete under the Pro-Hapkido rules . I think that is the easiest and simplest way to tell the good Hapkido schools from the bad schools .

Hapkido should have some judo , a little kickboxing , a little dirty boxing , some unique kicks from MT , Savate , and KMA , maybe some CMA and/or JMA flavoring , and a large but very thin layer of small circle JJ type stuff .