9/13/2007 6:13pm, #11
Originally Posted by Elbow Bomber
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(* The actual teaching is slightly different than this. Blavatsky taught that all of the Great White Brotherhood had ascended to heaven and beholden the Platonic Ideal Form of spiritual evolution, and were trying to teach others to follow it. Thus Jesus, Buddha, yada yada are all teaching the same message, not that they all had the same initial teacher. The Black Brotherhood was trying to teach false religious values and use their messages to obtain worldly power.)
9/13/2007 6:55pm, #12
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TKDfan, your correct
USA Judo National Coaches certification requires at least a Sandan (third degree black belt)
For their lowest level of National certification for coaches.
However I have no idea what "American World Judo Team" is. It may be a demo team he put togeather. I think the American team is usually referred to as US Judo Team.
9/13/2007 7:20pm, #1345,000 B.C. lineage
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9/13/2007 8:04pm, #16
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9/13/2007 8:45pm, #18
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I've found plenty of references to sebekkha of various spellings.
This thread I've found funny:
Read the title: "Ninjas in Ancient Egypt" :qleapfrog That made me smile.
Here's another fellow that has it listed as history but I didn't see any sources listed:
Nearly five thousand years ago along the river Nile in the fabled land
of Egypt, the martial art of Sebekkha was created. It was from this diverse
art of wrestling, stick fighting and boxing, that the Pancration arts of
Greece were created. By way of Aryans, traveling nomads, warlords, Olympians
and religious sects this art entered the land of India.
Sebekkha (an eclectic combination of several martial arts taught to the Egyptian anti-terrorist forces),
I found this thread, not a bad read.
Anyway, I'll add that I've never read anything in the literature on the Egyptian military about martial arts, as we understand them. I'll agree with the stick fighting that it's about as close as it gets. The typical soldier was trained in the use of swords and clubs, but I don't think they ever got fancy with hand-to-hand much beyond that. The scenes we have of wrestling and boxing are mostly in the way of sports or games, with a touch of ritual thrown in. Both of these activities were popular all over the Mediterranean and Near East, and were often regarded as rites of passage.
Though it may be easier to look at Dr. Saleems claims and assertions. Going back to the newspaper article RobT's link:
a member of the ancient Egyptian spiritual order, Unnut, the "Openers of Heaven", which is a secret, though unbroken line stretching back to the dawn of civilisation
9/13/2007 9:07pm, #19
That's a good selection of links, but I'm cautious about citing references from sources that aren't directly related to Mr. Seleem. Even if he's a complete Bullshidoka, he can't be held responsible for what unrelated third parties say or speculate about him and his art.
The existence of codified martial arts and combat sports in ancient Egypt is well-established; they obviously had a range of weapon systems for military training (although there are no detailed records of how they used the weapons, AFAIK) and various forms of stick fighting and wrestling are detailed as pictures on the walls of tombs at Beni Hasan and elsewhere.
There is also an extant form of Egyptian stick fighting called Tahtib (a.k.a. Tahteeb, etc.) which was recorded by Western anthropologists as early as the 1930s, and probably does extend right back into Egyptian history as a folk-sport. It doesn't resemble anything that I've seen or read about Sebekkha, though.
9/13/2007 9:51pm, #20
45,000 BC, eh? Wow, To think that 30-some thousand years before the Sumerians first picked up their maces to beat the **** out of each other, the Egyptians were practicing martial arts. This guy sure taught historians and archaeologists a lesson.
I agree with the above that this is probably a typo for 4,500, which is still chronologically implausable.