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  1. ronaldk is offline

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    how long must a striker train grappling to be effective in MMA?

    yah, yah, yah, i know, everyone is different, bla bla.

    but i was just wondering. how much grappling training would be necessary for a proficient striker that turns out to be a proverbial "average student" in a grappling discipline?

    also, what styles do you believe are best for a striking oriented fighter? would it be greco, for good clinchwork and control, to keep the fight standing?
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    Effective where? In the UFC? A fucking lot. In a local amateur show? Not that much.
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    effective enough to put up a great fight against a grappling oriented fighter and possibly win.

    it is easier for a wrestler to force a boxer into a wrestling match, than it is for a boxer to force a wrestler into a boxing match. and from what i have seen, if you pit a phenomenal striker with no ground skill against a decent grappler, the grappler has the upper hand. hell, look at Kit Cope, supposedly a beast in muay thai, IPMTO light heavyweight world champ, fights bareknuckle in Thailand and wins, but has gotten owned in 4 out of his 5 MMA matches.

    then you got guys like Mirko, barring recent performances, are kickboxers at heart, but grapples defensively well enough to not get subbed by Fedor. but that's a whole other story.

    so... yes, the question stands.
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    It's a stupid question without a real answer.

    Go train.
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    that's a stupid post without any real information.
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    No it's not. Go find an MMA coach if you wanna do MMA, not ask around on the internetz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldk
    would it be greco, for good clinchwork and control, to keep the fight standing?
    No, it wouldn't be greco. One of the most important skills you'll need for MMA is sprawls and takedowns, and greco doesn't have either one of them.

    Freestyle wrestling for stand-up/neutral grappling, BJJ for groundwork. It's a tried and true combination. Yes, you can accomplish it with SAMBO, or just a good ol' MMA coach, but the typical answer is freestyle wrestling and BJJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldk
    that's a stupid post without any real information.
    All the information you need is right here:
    Quote Originally Posted by Meager
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldk
    that's a stupid post without any real information.
    No it is not. Besides he already gave you the answer. The caliber of the venue will determine the caliber of fighters, and that will determine the caliber of grappling/wrestling that a fighter will need to compete against those fighters.

    These things are not like chemical combinations that you can measure with precision. A mix of three parts of oxygen for, I dunno, one part of nitrogen combined with a solution of 1 part beer and 2 parts fresh chicken **** stirred at 40F would produce... something. I don't know what the **** it is, but I'm sure it will produce something that can be reproduced again and again and again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uri Shatil
    No, it wouldn't be greco. One of the most important skills you'll need for MMA is sprawls and takedowns, and greco doesn't have either one of them.
    Yes, Greco has takedowns.
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