Page 1 of 8 12345 ... Last
  1. #1

    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Elk Grove, CA
    Posts
    66
    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    Bringing Aliveness back to Traditional MA's

    Hi, I study Isshinryu Karate in Granite Bay (Sacramento), CA at Joslin's East West Karate.

    Back in the day, Masters Joslin (yes, there's two of them, Dave and Ron) had their black belts do a lot of full contact sparring in competition and in the dojo. When they trained, they did so bare knuckle, outdoors.

    Now, black belts don't compete full contact anywhere near as often as they did ten years ago. Most of the competition the underbelts do is point sparring (which I have a lot of experience in). I believe the change happened when they expanded their dojo, from having a few dozen guys (in their 20's and 30's) training out of garages to having a few hundred people (of all ages) in two permanent dojos.

    We do continuous sparring, and a few locks and takedowns with resisting opponents (not as much as BJJ, however), but I wouldn't consider our traning to be "alive".

    How might I approach my instructors if I wanted them to revert to the old ways, which were much more alive?

  2. #2
    Uri Shatil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Greater Boston
    Posts
    744
    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Go up to him, start cursing at him, and try to kick him in the face. You'll get some good aliveness like that.

  3. #3
    Virus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    6,966
    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    If you really want aliveness you have to ask yourself why you are hanging around Isshin-ryu clubs. What did you have in mind for alive training?

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    161
    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Cut out the middle man and go straight to MMA. It's going to end up looking like MMA anyway, only minus the technical skill.

    That's all I realized from watching people try to bring "alivness" into their TMA. Cut out the middle man.

  5. #5
    hoodedmonk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Carson WA.
    Posts
    2,396
    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You might be better off getting a few people from you're school that want to train the way you do, and doing some sparring on the side.

  6. #6
    Virus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    6,966
    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by hoodedmonk
    You might be better off getting a few people from you're school that want to train the way you do, and doing some sparring on the side.
    Agreed. Then you'll see that Aikikat was right.

  7. #7
    bob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    897
    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    On an unrelated note, I've been watching some of those professional footballers on TV. Me and my friends have a friendly touch football game going down at the park but I've been looking to bring some more intensity into it so it's more like the pros.

    Any advice on how I should do this?

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Posts
    430
    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by bornsceptic
    On an unrelated note, I've been watching some of those professional footballers on TV. Me and my friends have a friendly touch football game going down at the park but I've been looking to bring some more intensity into it so it's more like the pros.

    Any advice on how I should do this?
    I believe that either you start tackling them until it turns into something like the pros, or get some people who want to play tackle football and wait for your friends to join in. Also, if you get paid thousands of dollars, I heard it helps intensify everything you do.

  9. #9
    Virus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    6,966
    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You wouldn't be dissin' the way we play touch football. Me and some dimmak mates get together to play T3h Death Touch Football. It's far too dangerous for tackle. (besides we have the anti-tackle.)

  10. #10
    Teh El Macho's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Porcupine/Hollywood, FL & Parmistan via Elbonia
    Posts
    11,746
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris

Page 1 of 8 12345 ... Last

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Log in

Log in
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO