Thread: Scarf hold in MMA
9/05/2007 12:16pm, #11
To Kata Gatame
Is a good move
I am not sure if you could transition from one to another with under hook
Maybe you can
I have to experiment
Off to my LAB!!
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9/05/2007 12:23pm, #12Originally Posted by Soju - Joe
Originally Posted by Soju - Joe
There are many different ways to transition from the left to the right side or visa versa.....look it up.
9/05/2007 12:38pm, #13Originally Posted by GoldenJonas
It's pretty standard Judo move and of all the many, many, many times i have been tapped out I don't think I have ever had my back taken from there
However I was taught it as an active position. One in which you move with the opponent and transition to other holds and positions. I.E. Kesa to side control - to north south - to full mount.
Also I go from Kesa to Gyaku kata gatame more than regular kata gatame (can't find an image) in which you're almost flat on your stomach really high up around the head.
9/05/2007 12:38pm, #14
i'd say the keylock with ur legs is important to get used to doing (he may or may not tap from this but doesnt matter).....any time u can trap an arm without the use of your hands is a plus IMO
from there, u can focus on attacking the far arm, either with a sub, or trap it and throw them 'bows down on the head - like what hughes did to BJ in their second fight
9/05/2007 4:13pm, #15
Originally Posted by GoldenJonas
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9/05/2007 5:25pm, #16
Originally Posted by HANKtheTANK
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I've always used an underhook in nogi, and most of the time with gi too, and just assumed that was standard scarf hold. That said, I'm not really one for bothering much to learn the "correct" names for things.
9/05/2007 5:27pm, #17Originally Posted by frodo
Kuzure is better if you want to work for subs since you're not as locked in as straight kesa. Pretty much the only move I've been able to use straight kesa for is to transition into an arm triangle by slipping your head under the trapped arm and pushing it over and into kata gatame (arm triangle).
It's funny how you mention taking the back. There's a really good BJJ blue belt at my club who's great to roll with. The most frustrating thing for him is when I catch him in kesa. He also thought it would be easy to take the back. When an experienced judo guy catches you flush there, you're not going anywhere unless you're a lot bigger or stronger. If the bottom guy tries to hook a leg with his legs, you just apply pressure down and walk around him. It's really hard to get out of and not a particularly comfortable position. That said, it's pretyt much purely a sport judo pin since it doesn't lend itself to transitioning to subs.
9/05/2007 7:23pm, #18
Originally Posted by Judobum
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9/05/2007 7:41pm, #19Originally Posted by GoldenJonas
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