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    I actually asked my coach this the other night. I have some Judo experience so I am really comfortable in this position. He said against anyone good you have to be super careful because it gives them too many options. I am pretty comfortable doing in in Gi class but in no-gi the purple belts and good blue belts take my back.

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    Why use it when modified scarf hold has all of the same benefits with no potential for getting your back taken.

    That wasn't a question.

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    Maybe because we are stupid and don't know modified scarf hold. Perhaps the best poster ever could enlighten us?

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    kesa with an under hook not the head
    Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.

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    pic plz?

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    I can't think of any specific examples but I am pretty sure I have seen the scarf hold several times in MMA as a transitional position going to shoulder chokes, side control and such.

    I am pretty sure I have seen Stevenson crank it on someone.

    Unlike Judo I can't see any benefit in holding someone in it for sub grappling or MMA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrijl
    pic plz?
    this?
    "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
    "When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
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    How do modified scarf hold:
    http://wellness.lattc.edu/sseck/msh.html

    Image:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkartigue
    kesa with an under hook not the head
    ****, who in there right mind would do anything BUT the kesa with an underhook. Actually, I thought the far side underhook WAS proper Kesa Gatame positioning...if your not doing it WITH the far side underhook I would go so far as to say its borderline crappling.

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    Hmmm, thanks for the pic WhiteShark.

    The pic in 9 is what I use as Kesa...the pic in 10, at least for me, is purely a transitional position between kesa and standard side control.

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