Posted On:9/04/2007 8:30pm
Style: BJJ,MT,RBSD (on hiatus)
Originally Posted by WhiteShark
I thought Khun Kao had been replaced by a crazy jerk-off until I got to his paranthetical statement. I was talking almost exclusively about straight punches.
I totally agree with follow through for Thai kicks and several other types of "hitting" but I'd say 2" or so is a good rule of thumb for hard crisp punches.
Yes, I was talking about straight punches, not hooks or kicks.
All Out of Bubblegum
Posted On:9/05/2007 1:52am
one is how you punch
one is where you aim
they're seperate ideas, not two takes on the same thing.
There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
Posted On:9/05/2007 7:35am
Style: Ex-Tiger KF, ex-SanDa
My intent when I aim, determines how I punch at the target.I agree they're seperate, but are highly intertwined. I throw differently for taps, than for thuds or small nuke punches. Most people seem to.
Posted On:9/05/2007 8:05am
Style: Ex-wing chun
If you only focus on the surface of the object you want to hit, your arm may begin to slow down just before you hit it, and you'll probably lose power. Aiming to hit through the target means that you commit to your shots properly and do not decelerate before you've made contact; also you remain a little more relaxed upon contact because your muscles are not tensing up in order to bring your arm back prematurely. A bit like following through when kicking a football or taking a golf swing
Posted On:9/05/2007 3:15pm
Style: I request to be banned
Originally Posted by rw4th
Is the concept of punching “through” your target compatible with “hit don’t push”? On the surface they seem incompatible to me since punching “through” would be akin to pushing.
I think you need a complete extension of your arm when you punch, that's how you get the most power----if you are too close to the target, you won't get as much power. I think you get maximum effect when the target is on the very end of your punch, and you are not "pushing" into it.
1% Shark is better than you.
Posted On:9/05/2007 4:02pm
No. You do not want 100% extension when you hit. That would mean that your elbow is locked. If your elbow is locked you are stressing the joint and slowing down your retraction. Ideally you want to go to like 99% extension. This goes triple for shadow boxing. I actually managed to dynamically injure my elbow very early in my kick boxing career from snapping my punches all the way out.
Posted On:9/05/2007 5:18pm
Originally Posted by WhiteShark
I thought Khun Kao had been replaced by a crazy jerk-off until I got to his paranthetical statement.
....and how do you know that I'm not a crazy jerk-off? LOL
Posted On:9/05/2007 5:20pm
But in all seriousness, for certain straight power punches I follow through much more than a mere 2". I guess that's a start, but I often punch through much more than that, as I envision driving someones nose through the back of their head when I punch them
Posted On:9/05/2007 7:01pm
Good advice Whiteshark. When I started kung fu, my forearm muscles, and shoulder payed a heavy price for me extending out too far/too fast. With gloves on, it's much more likely to happen for the overenthused. I think punching with the hip power, is the most important factor in getting that real shot in. Without the turn of the hip (I turn out for stiff jabs, and in for crosses) it's just arm punching, not very scary unless they're huge. The extra distance I get from turning the hip, especially the cross, is the penetrating distance...I throw the cross with them in punching range without the turn...then when the hip kicks in, the range works out, and bang!
When I spin off and counter jab the jab. It's the shoulder turn (and my mutant reach) that gives the penetrating range. That way the head jerks back and I can build on the counter.
Last edited by bobyclumsyninja; 9/05/2007 7:03pm at .
Posted On:9/14/2007 9:35am
There's some good general rules for that, but general rules rarely take into account the rather odd extremes of body type you run into in day to day living... or the Texas Club Scene.
I mean, case in point is, aiming 2" back isn't going to do as much damage when said target has about 6" of LARD between your knuckle and anything remotely vital or sensitive. I've help found it helps to train on several different bag sizes and weights to learn to vary your level of 'Dig' on different amounts of mass to get about an equal reaction from your hit on all of them. That way you can still take down the fat-asses with Lard-armor and you won't break your knuckles over-punching some skinny-ass twig-boy's sternum into his lungs.
Note: This is a personal method, not actually sanctioned or practiced by any schools to my knowladge.
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