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    wu Shu Kwan - Bullshido ?

    Ok looking for some informed opinions here, not a lot of internet footage to comment on but does anyone have an impression of this ?

    http://www.wushukwan.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by your next
    Ok looking for some informed opinions here, not a lot of internet footage to comment on but does anyone have an impression of this ?

    http://www.wushukwan.com/

    Thanks:qgreenjum
    Hello there. Wu Shu Kwan has been discussed here briefly before. See:

    http://bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36486

    Is there any particular reason that you ask about it?
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    there's one thing i don't get, they teach in wushu/kungfu/chinese boxing, yet they're vague on what style they follow.
    the belts as in 5th dan/grade etc. do ring some alarmbells.
    my suggestion is, spare yourself the trouble.

    or give them a call and ask these questions:

    what style do you teach?(wc, choy lee fut, pak mei, etc etc)

    this grandmaster, who made him grandmaster, who gave him this title?
    how many students does this grandmaster have that have a sifu status AND teach publicly in their own schools?
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    I tried a class and was suspect it felt very krotty like and I don't want to get stuck in a mcDojo !
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    then listen to your gut feeling and find another school man.
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    "Celia Sisman (5th Degree Black Belt) (right), a senior instructress, using an effective kick without having to dirty her hands to floor her attacker."
    " The reason elite level MMAists don't fight with aikido is the same reason elite level swimmers don't swim with their lips." - Virus

    " I shocked him with my skills on the ice becuase Wing Chun is great for hockey fighting." - 'Sifu' Milt Wallace

    "Besides, as you might already know (from Virus, for example) - there's only 1 wing chun and it sucks big time" - Tonuzaba

    "Even when I'm promising mayhem and butt-chicanery, I'm generally posting with a smile on my face." - Sochin101

    "That said, if he blocked my hip on a drop nage, I would extend my leg into a drop tai Otoshi and slam him so hard his parents would die." - MTripp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell
    there's one thing i don't get, they teach in wushu/kungfu/chinese boxing, yet they're vague on what style they follow.
    the belts as in 5th dan/grade etc. do ring some alarmbells.
    my suggestion is, spare yourself the trouble.

    or give them a call and ask these questions:

    what style do you teach?(wc, choy lee fut, pak mei, etc etc)

    this grandmaster, who made him grandmaster, who gave him this title?
    how many students does this grandmaster have that have a sifu status AND teach publicly in their own schools?

    Honestly, there is little in the organisation which claims to be specific to a particular system. The forms are mostly long fist (chang chuan) derived, though there are others (shaolin, feilong). The only people who would know are the two most senior grades...everyone else are Wu Shu Kwan stylists.

    The grandmaster (Mr Chang) invented the style. A number of the original high grades we're Taekwondo specialist, though they split of an formed Zhuan Shu Kwan (ask Slideyfoot about that, he trains with them). I always suspected that Mr Chang was a Taekwondo person as well, as most of the pictures of him in his youth he's wearing a gi and belt. I have nothing to back that up however, and never asked him.

    As to how many students teach....loads. However, the higher degrees are all on the website, i.e. there are only 3 6th degrees and a couple of dozen 5th degrees. And that's in an organisation that numbers hundreds of clubs and thousands of students and has been running for going on 50 years. Also note that, in a display of being sensible, 1st degree black belts are only ever called assistant instructors, you don't become a ninstructor until 2nd degree, when you've been teaching continuously for a minimum of a year (and have been a 1st degree at least 2) and have passed all the teaching assessments.

    I don't think that the organisation is bullshido, namely because they do 30 minutes of full contact sparring every class, don't believe in chi, and believe in simple, non-jumping, non flashy techniques. However, I also don't think their training methodollogies are as good as they could be, and there is internal politics and a, uh, issolationist ideology that I never understood or liked.

    Also, they are not a McDojo, as they charge on a per lesson basis without contracts. There is a yearly membership but everything else is a fixed price and goes to the instructor of the class.

    For what it's worth, I'm a 1st degree in the system, though I've not trained with them in a couple of years. As a hobby style for people who don't want to be hardcore fighters its fine, and most of the higher grades are good standup fighters, in a kickboxing context. Just, well, there are better training methods out there (which annoys me, as they could be a really good style!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asriel
    "Celia Sisman (5th Degree Black Belt) (right), a senior instructress, using an effective kick without having to dirty her hands to floor her attacker."
    Which amuses me, as the sparring was mostly about punching people in the face and kicking them in the thigh. I never really thought they did a good job on the advertising!

    To quote one of my instructors there:

    *him watching someone do a high kick in sparring*
    "Do that kick again to me"
    *student does it again, instructor punches him in the nuts*
    "That's why you need to be careful with high kicks"
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    Posted On:
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    Amongst our conversations about Zhuan Shu Kwan Slidey did tell me that it was very TKD ish
    " The reason elite level MMAists don't fight with aikido is the same reason elite level swimmers don't swim with their lips." - Virus

    " I shocked him with my skills on the ice becuase Wing Chun is great for hockey fighting." - 'Sifu' Milt Wallace

    "Besides, as you might already know (from Virus, for example) - there's only 1 wing chun and it sucks big time" - Tonuzaba

    "Even when I'm promising mayhem and butt-chicanery, I'm generally posting with a smile on my face." - Sochin101

    "That said, if he blocked my hip on a drop nage, I would extend my leg into a drop tai Otoshi and slam him so hard his parents would die." - MTripp

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    Posted On:
    9/04/2007 4:00am

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    I saw Psychomongoose and Jawdy (who both have backgrounds in ZSK/WSK) spar standup at the first Oxford throwdown and they looked like they knew what they were doing (Jawdy had also been training in kickboxing for a while). I have also seen videos on these styles' websites of instructors competing with success in full contact.

    Their own sites explain it originated as a mix of northern shaolin/longfist CMA and TKD, without any absurd claims of 'secret monk from the mountains'-type bullshido CMA lineage.

    It might not turn out to be your taste but I certainly wouldn't dismiss it as bullshit.
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