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    Grasshopper guard

    Here is a quick reference to what the grasshopper guard looks like:

    http://www.grapplearts.com/Glossary_BJJ_Open_Guard.html

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    The pass referred to in the OP is totally valid, as a little guy who sometimes has trouble being wide enough to open a closed guard, I can get this one started with one elbow in and 1 arm under (the "ass over teakettle" version, not the put his left knee on his right shoulder version) and force my opponent to open and defend.

    Why are the attempted passer's arms stuck though? Just from the friction and grip between your thigh and calf? If you grab the wrists before he can make constructive grips, recovering guard is easy, and the neck is right there begging to be choked. Why play around with a funky keylock from the bottom here? I'm gonna try this tonight and will try to remember to come back and post my thoughts.

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    I get this move a lot.

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    The last person who tried grasshopper guard on me had to take a rest from an semi-unintentional knee slicer. You need to be very careful that you control both arms until you can control the hips.

    When I usually get the arms trapped I transition since alot of guys can still move me quite a bit even if my hips are heavy.
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    I rarely get a tap with this, but I get it all the time and use it to force people to abandon double-unders passes and often force them to turtle.
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    So do I. Gi and no gi; the only real difficulty I've found, is against retard-strong big guys (go figure). I'd rather bait them into this than get laid on. My instructor taught us a few easy transitions to the back from this.

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    Cyrijl-

    Is the "knee slicer" you refer to the same as what some people call a calf crusher?

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    No and Yes. Some people keep their arm or leg closer to the calf muscle to press the muscle into pain compliance. If the arm or shin is right behind the knee joint, you force your opponents heel to their butt (like an opposite knee bar). It makes the join want to pop apart. I usually don't do knee/elbow slicers because a "little dab will do ya" and i don't want to hurt anyone. But after taking a week off of class, everyone was trying to do this guard to me so I got annoyed and slowly did it to someone and it made him sore. He wasn't hurt but he dodn't try to do that on me again.

    I have to think of exactly how I got it since it escapes me right now.
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    Sorry if I'm being dense, but it still sounds like the calf crusher to me, just using your forearm instead of your shin (If I understand it correctly, which I'm not sure I do). Are you using his own hook a/k/a your upper leg to push the heel towards his butt?

    Thanks for trying to explain it to me.

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    They are basically the same technique. I think the difference is where the tap come from, whether it is a muscle crush or a joint separation.
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