Chuck Norris' Karate League Fights To Find Niche

**yodaman** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 9:33am

The team concept would have had more pull had the IFL not aired days later and scored a network TV deal in the same relative timespan. (if you call My9 a network)

And it's obvious VS wasn't too thrilled with the WCL. They went and scooped up MMA programming as soon as it became available. From the perspective of the VS network, if WCL continues with the crappy ratings, they'll probably get dumped next season. And that would be the end of the WCL right there because no one else is going to want to pick them up.

**Dagon Akujin** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 12:38pm

I thought the idea of a "stand-up only alternative to MMA" would be great. The WCL just isn't though. The scoring makes no sense and it's hard to follow who is winning. And while it is stand-up, it isn't comprehensive. Here are my ideas to fix it, but Chuck would probably rather throw Bibles at us than change anything:

#1: Smaller gloves. Use 4 oz. like MMA, so the fighters can use more "TMA" techniques and fewer "boxing" techniques.
#2: Allow throws, clinches, and anything else "standing". Simply take out the ground.
#3: Allow elbows, knees (without the quick release) and leg kicks (without the need to follow up immediately with a punch).
#4: Make scoring easier to follow. How do you follow a 5-point-must system for each of the separate 3 minutes in a round?
#5: Allow counter-punching (you are currently penalized for counter-punching too often).
#6: Make the art Comprehensive Stand-Up fighting, and not simply team kick-boxing with stupid rules.
#7: Start out like early UFC and use a style-vs.-style approach. Will the _ing _unner beat the TKD'er? Will the judoka kick every kick-boxer's ass? Then watch how things progress. The less people can say "Well, if my Kuk Sol Wan Master was in there, he'd just do X-Y-Z and every fighter would be toast", the better.

I currently can't stand watching WCL, and that's odd because I normally will watch TKD point-sparring or XMA breaking competitions when they are on. That the WCL is LOWER on my list of prioraties is not a good sign.

Dagon

**DSL** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 12:43pm

Dagon, email that list to Chuck (under a pseudonym from a library computer heh).

Great stuff though, and I agree. Although the style vs style thing, I'd say just more prominently state which styles the fighters are trained in.

And that weird ring, to make it interesting, move it up about 10 feet heh.

**1bad65** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 1:07pm

Anthony Njokuani has fought on some MMA shows in Texas. He has a great sprawl and his standup is very impressive.

**Axelton** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 1:35pm

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Anthony Njokuani has fought on some MMA shows in Texas. He has a great sprawl and his standup is very impressive.

Whats your point?

**Eldarbong** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 3:15pm

Originally Posted by DSL

From a striker's standpoint I enjoy the action, but the split round thing is just bizarre. The short rounds and penalties for 'thinking' seems odd too. The ring shape is just out there.

Pretty much. They tryed to re-invent the wheel, and phailed. I would rather watch old K-1 videos than WCL any day. Also, the athletes are very b and c rate. The man reason why K-1 and muay thai are not popular in america are because the americans tend to get destroyed when they face the best that the other countries have to offer.

**garuda1** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 6:28pm

I agree the style vs style might make it a bit more interesting . . .

It'd be like.. live action tekken. sweet.

Then again, I guess C-Nor said he wanted the show to make his fighting style popular again.

So unless karate won, it wouldn't be doing C-Nor any good. Though, in tekken karate always won, except Tekken 4 i guess. I'm pretty sure yoshimitsu won that ****.

Yea, definetly k-1 over this stuff. It's like.. ABC family kickboxing. ****'s gross.

**Wolf** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 6:34pm

Originally Posted by garuda1

I agree the style vs style might make it a bit more interesting . . .

It'd be like.. live action tekken. sweet.

Then again, I guess C-Nor said he wanted the show to make his fighting style popular again.

So unless karate won, it wouldn't be doing C-Nor any good. Though, in tekken karate always won, except Tekken 4 i guess. I'm pretty sure yoshimitsu won that ****.

Yea, definetly k-1 over this stuff. It's like.. ABC family kickboxing. ****'s gross.

Yoshimitsu my ass! My King's got a Frankensteiner for your Helicopter of Death!

**garuda1** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 6:41pm

Agreed, King's frankensteiner is a good one. Although ..

http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/tekken...?id=yoshimitsu

"Yoshimitsu, head of the Manji Clan, plans to use money from winning the tournament to help the starving people of the world.

At the end of the King of Iron Fist Tournament 4, Yoshimitsu broke into the Mishima Zaibatsu vaults and stole the money for his own. During this operation, Yoshimitsu notices the fallen Bryan Fury and takes him to Dr. Boskonovitch.

One month later an S.O.S. goes out from Dr. Boskonovitch's research facility. Yoshimitsu rashes to the facility and finds everything in ruins and many members of the Manji Clan slaughtered. Yoshimitsu finds the defeated Dr. Boskonovitch in the deepest section of the research laboratories and learns it was Bryan, with his newly implanted perpetual power generator, that was responsible for the carnage.

"He destroyed those who helped him... I'll never forgive hom". Yoshimitsu's fist shakes with anger.

When Yoshimitsu hears that Bryan has entered the King of Iron Fist Tournament 5, he signs up as well, seeking revenge on behalf of his dead Manji Clan members. "

So it looks like he stole the money, like a true ninja. They don't teach you that in Buji. Sorry this is horribly off topic. I'm just saying.

.. so .. to stay on topic. They outta put chuck norris in Tekken 6 as a guest character ..

**kwoww** · Posted On: 9/03/2007 7:18pm

Originally Posted by Dagon Akujin

#1: Smaller gloves. Use 4 oz. like MMA, so the fighters can use more "TMA" techniques and fewer "boxing" techniques.
#2: Allow throws, clinches, and anything else "standing". Simply take out the ground.
#3: Allow elbows, knees (without the quick release) and leg kicks (without the need to follow up immediately with a punch).
#4: Make scoring easier to follow. How do you follow a 5-point-must system for each of the separate 3 minutes in a round?
#5: Allow counter-punching (you are currently penalized for counter-punching too often).
#6: Make the art Comprehensive Stand-Up fighting, and not simply team kick-boxing with stupid rules.
#7: Start out like early UFC and use a style-vs.-style approach. Will the _ing _unner beat the TKD'er? Will the judoka kick every kick-boxer's ass? Then watch how things progress. The less people can say "Well, if my Kuk Sol Wan Master was in there, he'd just do X-Y-Z and every fighter would be toast", the better.

I wonder if there's any way we could get this list to the WCL execs (i.e. C-Nor), because that would make the WCL a million times more awesome.